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Zero surprises here - AIDS addressable by improving redox power of immune system

Discussion in 'Redox Rx' started by Jack Kruse, Sep 8, 2022.

  1. Jack Kruse

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    Zero surprises here - AIDS is addressable by improving redox power within both arms of the immune system

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  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold


    Andreas Kalcker was attempting to solve African problems with malaria, worms and parasites, using pennies worth of ClO2.
    Almost got to a prison for that.

    That would have cancelled many profits.

    Forbidden Health 9788461742721 - DOKUMEN.PUB
    Andreas Kalcker - CDS protocols


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  4. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @John Schumacher
    Under that link you said:

    Is health a supplementation of multiple interventions or is it wrapped in our human environment? | Jack Kruse Optimal Health Forum

    There are two processes going on in our bodies.
    You mentioned splitting water.

    Please give some thought to synthesizing oxygen and hydrogen to create water.
    And figure out how much energy is released in that process,
    (and immediately used, so we could stay alive).
    And post that number (in kilowatts/day).

    It seems like we are creating lots of matrix water.
    And using tremendous amounts of energy to stay alive.
    The amount of that newly created matrix water is about equal to the amount of blood going thru our heart.
    The other (relatively new to me) is that that water synthesis is assisted by (massive) amounts of melatonin.
    That is not the melatonin (everybody talks about), the one from pineal gland, (that tends to Circadian Rhythm).

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  5. For Dr. @Jack Kruse review:
    Mitochondria use charge variation to make them energy efficient.​

    The redox potential of each of these redox control nodes is a function of the steady-state redox status of the couples and the concentrations of their reactants and products: Eh = Eo + RT/NF ln[SS/(SH)^2], where Eh and Eo stand for actual and steady-state redox potential, respectively.

    Within the mitochondrion, reducing equivalents are maintained on the soluble carriers, NAD+ and NADP+. Hence, the concentration and redox status of these electron carriers set the upper limits of electronegativity for the pathways to which they contribute electrons.
    The redox status of the mitochondrial redox couples has been estimated to be
    (a) −405 mV for NADPH/NADP+,
    (b) −340 to −360 mV for Trx2(SH)2/SS,
    (c) −300 mV for GSH/GSSG, and
    (d) −250 mV for NADH/NAD+.
    In the cytosol, the potentials of the redox couples have been estimated to be
    (a) −393 mV for NADPH/NADP+,
    (b) −280 mV for Trx1(SH)2/SS,
    (c) from −260 to −170 mV for GSH/GSSG, and
    (d) −160 mV for CyS/CySS.
    In the nucleus, the redox status of Trx1(SH)2/SS is −300 mV.

    The redox state of the endoplasmic reticulum is set by GSH/GSSG at −189 mV.

    The plasma (extra-cellular space) redox control nodes for healthy individuals have been estimated to be −140 mV for GSH/GSSG and −80 mV for CyS/CySS​
    Because the redox potential of NADH/NAD+ within the mitochondrion is −250 mV, most of the electrons from NADH flow down the ETC to O2 at +1200 mV to generate H2O.

    If these calculations are accurate, then mitochondrial water production is very costly -> +1200 mV. That’s very expensive DDW.

    Mitochondrial Energetics and Therapeutics

    Two of the arguments I made in https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.p...is-it-wrapped-in-our-human-environment.25380/
    1. I believe it is the three-dimensional behavior of hydrogen molecules when stimulated by photons that rules, not the covalent bonds; thus, I believe it is the non-covalent "bonds" or behavior of protons which jump across the cell member's intracellular matrix from melanosomes to endoplasmic reticulum, peroxisomes and our mitochondria. https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(14)00152-3.pdf
    2. I believe it is the melanosomes which service the "power grid" for our mitochondria to process biomass with the endoplasmic reticulum and peroxisomes specially when it is a fatty acid "fuel source".

    The methods of emitting electromagnetic waves,
    (a) the method of the acceleration motion of a point charge,
    (b) the method of changing the amount of charge at the fixed distance between two charges,
    (c) the method of changing the radius between two constant charges instead of the amount of charge.​
    (a) Trajectory of the electron at n=1 state.
    (b) The total radiatedpower difference of the electron transitions between 0→n and ∞→n is the
    same as ∆P(0→n)=P(∞→n).

    New energy level of the hydrogen atom including radius, oscillation number n, and the angular frequency of revolution ωnr by external energy. Variation of the electron after the electron transitions from high n to low n. That means when the oscillation number n decreases after increasing, the angular frequency of revolution is shifted to not low frequency but high frequency.


    When our mitochondria make DDW, it uses up +1,200mV of energy. That's not good news for humans who believe, that the net-negative charge of our mitochondria redox potential needs to be greater then -200 mV in order to maintain health.
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  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    How would it look if you converted your approach to KWh daily, while assuming the 2000gallons/day water being produced?

    Thank you, grandpa, for responding.

    Possibly something simpler could be easier for me to grasp.
    Wonder how Sabine would deal with this topic.
    (75) Sabine Hossenfelder - YouTube
    Living process of humans goes thru X amount of energy during 24hr
    Energy is created by synthesizing H and O.
    Doing that to create new 7500 liters=2000 gallons of matrix water daily (while resting)
    that releases 1350 KWh

    That is amount of energy that may justify limiting number of eucaryotic creatures to prolong life on Earth.

    I am looking at my monthly electric bill, January 2013.
    My house used 2135 kWh over a month. Paid $317.50
    My body is going thru similar amount of energy within 24hrs

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  7. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    To reduce hundreds of estimates, lets minimize number of estimates.
    Please take 2000 gallons of water (that we make daily),
    estimate number of water particles in it.
    Take enough H and O to create that amount of water.
    Figure out the amount of released energy when they synthesize (burn).
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  8. I do apologize; I am not a believer in the chemical calorie model; where food & water are primary inputs for calculating metabolism. I understand this myth, but outcome data has disproved this theory.

    What we have found is that hormones rule metabolism. It is the hormone cascade that stimulates & suppresses every biological function we have studied.

    DNA & mRNA may provide a blueprint; however, it is our epigenetic response which rules the buildup and tear down of our cellular human body.

    We can use environmental triggers to enhance or decrease these epigenetic reactions by stimulating various hormone cascades.

    We often think that - if I just add little more of this food, that hormone, balancing things out on blood panels to more "normal" ratios, we just maybe improving our health.

    This is why I posed the question to Dr. @Jack Kruse -"
    Is health a supplementation of multiple interventions or is it wrapped in our human environment?"
    The reason I joined at the Silver level membership was I believed Dr. @Jack Kruse would provide detailed explains for his theories. Sadly, he has not. I have tried various techniques, providing various approaches to how I ask him questions. However, he seems uninterested in engaging intellectually. This has been very disappointing.
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  9. Back to your "question" on -
    Please give some thought to synthesizing oxygen and hydrogen to create water.

    I know Dr. @Jack Kruse is all into mitochondiral deuterium depleted water; however, that process is very expensive. Typically, the body only goes to that extent when it is healthy; when the redox potential is negatively charged up enough to do the job. Otherwise, since DDW production is at the end of the chain of the electron transport, there may not be any or very little DDW output.

    Just because our mitochondria can theoretically do a "thing" doesn't mean it has the energy to do it properly.
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  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    DDW production is at the end of the chain
    Life is not a chain (that have a beginning and end)
    Life is a circular process.
    When end of the chain happens, it is called death.

    there may not be any or very little DDW output.
    Even when the output is about zero
    water inside us is synthesized and broken again and again and again.
    I am thinking closed circles
    I am not thinking lines with beginning and the end.

    In his/her mind, in the circle above, one can make a (virtual cut) (imaginary, not real) and analyze what happens within that cut.

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  11. We have been created to be very resilient.
  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

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  13. I have listened to many of Dr Boros' lectures. They are very theoretical, specially when he goes into what he believes what maybe a quantum biological description. It's quite imaginative.

    What we know is -> each of us are in some reduced state of health; some of us have a disease. If our mitochondria are at the heart of our energy source, than an impaired mitochondria will not produce energy to turn around our reduced health status without some help.
  14. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Lets assume, I think correctly, that dr Boros is talking about healthy people.
    Indeed, sick people will go thru less water, say half of what he posted.
    Very sick people, those in ICU, will make even less, say half of the half above. And most of them will not stay alive for too long.

    So, lets deal with just a 1/4 of what dr Boros posted four years ago (2018) (and repeated recently (2022).
    That is still huge amount of energy (that each person is sucking from mother earth).

    Much more than provided by sunlight at noon at equator on cloudless day.

    Wonder what is stopping @Jack Kruse from helping us with this topic.

    It is easy to wonder about body producing body's weight of ATP, daily.
    But take only H out of that ATP and add to it O
    and then see what it says in a way of kWh.

    I am afraid that if Bill Gates gets a wind of this situation
    that will justify for him, getting rid of 7/8 of words population, just to save life on this planet.
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  15. @JanSz - There's no doubt about it. Humans consume a lot of energy. I don't believe we deserve all that God has provided for us each sunrise to sunset. His abundance is great. His mercy and understanding how frail we are. He knows us from our forming within our mother's womb to our current state.

    Never taking for granted His portion, I'm always looking for ways to improve my energy quotient. The three areas I look at are:
    • Biochemical-Electrical - we know "good nutrition" includes rich souring for DHA, fish, organic vegetables, fermented vegetables; "good sourced" low deuterium depleted water; clean sources of minerals (shilajit, iodine, rich electrolytes, sodium, potassium, zinc, selenium, etc.); clean fresh air. These are what our mitochondria need for processing ATP efficiently.
    • PiezoElectric - we are connected to our earth through our environment, by which we receive and exchange our electrical charge potential. From our feet on moist earth, through our skin interacting with the electromagnetic charge in the fresh air surrounding us. I love walks on a rainy day in just shorts (the electron transfer is amazing). We store and discharge our piezoelectric potential within our muscle cells and transmitted these electrical signals through our fascia to every cell in our body.
    It has been my focus to daily increase my energy quotient and utilize it to its full potential.

    What I believe is -> hormones rule.

    Did I need to believe in E=MC^2 to consider the study of health -> I just seemed to be "turned-on" differently...;)

    May your pheromones be with you.
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  16. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Speaking of hormones.


    And let's put aside the often-discussed melatonin made in pineal gland. That one rules Circadian Rhythm.

    It looks like melatonin in all those other places is busy dealing with H and O.
    Putting them together and breaking them apart.

    Since my natural melatonin fell below minimum laboratory range, I started supplementing it.
    Two and half hours ago, 7PM, I ate 120mg melatonin.
    I do not feel anything, good, bad.
    I sleep well. Eating melatonin does not affect my sleep.
    I am thinking of taking it in the mornings, possibly then I may note some influence.

    What say you?

    The other hormone, melanin.
    I hate to see @Jack with burned skin on his nose.

    Why doesn't he use melanotan II (MT-2) ?



    not hormone, but red light.

    On a sunny day, just staying in the shade, still exposes one to all the red lite that is 100x more powerful than Jack's expensive red light.
    Let's think about that.

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  17. Melatonin - I'm unable to find a study showing exogenous supplementation is damaging. I do find studies showing it benefit.
    • Reduce Bruch's membrane thickening, and reverse the decrease in RPE and melanin content and immunoreactivity
    • Reduces oxidative stress in mitochondria, and additionally reduces inflammation and cell death in the retina
    • Melatonin as a potential treatment for macular degeneration
    • Melatonin as a treatment for retinal pigment epithelium degeneration
    • Melatonin improves urinary 6-sulfatoxymelatonin (aMT6s)/creatinine levels

    Melatonin increases photosensitivity, which means you can get more from the sun in less time.
    Before increasing your melatonin intake, I would test your melatonin levels. We don't know what is an optimum level, but you could at least know if you are "burning" through your exogenous melatonin and need more.

    Also testing your vitamin D3. We may want to know - is the exogenous melatonin increasing your sensitivity to UVB light from our sun which has to potential to increase your probability to make vitamin D3 starting from your skin.


    About Dr. @Jack Kruse nose - he may do well to consider taking astaxanthin
    Astaxanthin is protective against UV-induced skin deterioration and helps maintain healthy skin.
    Note: Dr. @Jack Kruse looks and sound worse than ever. His skin tone is poor. He runs out of breath while talking. He is unable to sit up straight will conversing. He eyes have become dull. He grinds his teeth; you can tell when he gets bad by a question from his body language. I don't think he has looked at any of his blood labs for sometime. These would reveal a lot. His mind is not a sharp as it once was. He's still in his fifties. If he wants more from life, he has got to do more than what he is currently doing. If I could be in his circle of six, I would have a many hour discussion with him. His habits must improve. I don't believe it is to late for him.


    Red & Infrared light is a critical supplemental therapy.
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  18. JanSz

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    I do DUTCHtest twice a year.
    First saw my melatonin inching down.
    It reached it low laboratory range.
    I started melatonin supplementation. IIRC, about 20mg/day
    On that dose DUTCH indicated very high melatonin (but I felt no change).
    Further reading, the highest dose I noted was someone with 180mg.
    I also noted much higher melatonin pills available for sale.
    I got 60mg pills now, taking 2 pills/day
    Still do not note changes.


    About vitamin D3

    I do melanotan injections, MT-2.
    That helps to darken my skin (without it being burned (like Jack's nose)
    I use a lot of sunlight, mostly on my backyard Parsippany NJ 07054
    Latitude: 40.8608881 Elevation: 53m / 174feet
    I use lots of supplemental vit D
    On my most recent LabCorp test, my
    Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxycalciferol
    is very very high
    doctor warned me about,
    but I have not told him about my Spectracell results, (below).
    what do you say? It looks just about right to me.
    They say that they test functional levels.

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  19. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @John Schumacher
    Let's dance one more time.
    This time without dr Boros.
    (Only me and pheromones). I am so lucky to have my Mariola around (spreading them generously)

    Adenosine triphosphate - Wikipedia

    The human body recycles its own body weight equivalent in ATP each day.

    ATP Chemical formula C10H13N5O13P3
    what is the percentage weight of hydrogen in Adenosine triphosphate

    12 C10
    1 H13
    14 N5
    16 O13
    30 P3


    72kg person makes 72kg ATP daily
    72*0.025948104=1.868263473 kg of it is hydrogen
    At some points that hydrogen synthesizes with oxygen producing matrix water and releasing heat energy.
    That is about 1.86* 39.4=73.284 kWh over 24 hr day (when taking it easy)
    We are using earth resources equal to about what 3 kW electric motor uses

    H2 + 1/2O2=H20
    2kg+16kg =18kg
    1.86/2*18=17 so with this assumption we make daily 17 liters of matrix water.

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  20. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Outside of earth atmosphere sunlight power density is
    1366 watt per square meter

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