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Your Experience With D-Ribose

Discussion in 'Adrenal Rx and Leaky Gut Rx' started by TheKid, Dec 4, 2012.

  1. freesia

    freesia Old Member

    Ok. :)
    So from EMF 7, I get you're saying that CT will swing you around to using the PPPathway more anyway?

    In sleep, both things together allow for what you called supra sensitive autophagy.

    In short...CT and and the PPP help offset some of the bioenergetic challenges we face living with an altered magnetic field? Is that a fair assessment?
     
  2. Freesia - you seem to have a good grasp of some of this, would you take a stab at explaining what makes these pathways reduced? I am backstepping here to understand and keep getting hung up on "reduced" but compared to what.
     
  3. freesia

    freesia Old Member

    In it's first stage (the hexose monophosphate shunt) the PPP generates NADPH as the reducing agent...and you end up with plenty of reduced glutathione in the cells - which is always a good thing.
    Reduction is the gain of electrons, or a decrease in oxidation state. I guess if you don't have enough of this you end up with toxicity, inflammation...poor genetic expression.

    I don't have a decent grasp on the proposed bio-energetic/EMF link yet...but I'm working on it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2013
  4. caroline

    caroline Moderator

    Anne - you rock!!
     
  5. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    The pathway makes the most reducing chemical!!!!! IE the one with electrons. NADPH
     
  6. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    freesia you got it........you need NADPH for RNA and DNA synthesis.......why? When do you recycle proteins in life? during sleep using a process called autophagy. If you cant restore, renew or refurbish your proteins you lose water bonding sites on them......and this further decreases water supercondition because of shear math........less water relativily means less energy........what unfolds the proteins to open the water binding sites? ATP. How do you make ATP? you make it best from fat.......not protein or carbs........if you have a leaky gut or your gut is altered for any reason where you can not make ATP well it wont allow for massive superconductivity of water......so you will never approach optimal.......you need max ATP and great sleep for these reasons to deal with an altered EMF situation.......if you have either one of these issues......CT and naked sunbathing are you only or best options........with awesome non fluoridated water to maximize what your present potential is..........
     
  7. freesia

    freesia Old Member

    I got that bit...
    ...but where I'm stuck iat the moment (same as Anna I guess) is that the PPP burns glucose. If anything using the PPP would be most critical in Winter/pregnancy time so where does the glucose come from to support the pathway?

    Thanks!
     
  8. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    no it does not burn glucose....it uses the glycerol backbones of FFA for its source.......that is why it is a slow recycling pathway compared to TCA and ATP-CP system. It is designed to work as a mammal sleeps connected to Earth underground for 4-6 months in cold when it is not cross fitting. See, our biochemistry is not catching up with our modern culture........even thought our brain can create way more possibilities......technology is the latest and most deadly mismatch.
     
  9. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    This post underpins my concerns with GI surgery of any sort and if you look in the bariatric literature you will see some disturbing longer time findings in neuro functioning. I have actually briefly mentioned this here and there and not gone in depth about it because it requires understanding this pathway and the ATP issue with protein folding to truly get it.......Glamazon knows were we are going with this..........anyone who is medical profession has been looking at the outcomes of what we are doing and trying to make sense of it. Some trends have disturbed us.......and no one seems to have a good answer. I think I might.
     
  10. freesia

    freesia Old Member

    I appreciate the clarification.
    Thank you!
    I already figured out that certain HSPs (stimulated by cold) upregulate the main enzyme in the PPP, so the tie in makes more and more sense. I'm really comfortable with Winter actually. Very happy to have met it!

    I was looking at some recent studies and found glutamate excitotoxicity throws the PPP off....now what a surprise. (Not!)
    Endlessly, fascinating stuff. Thx again. :)
     
  11. MsYo

    MsYo Silver

    This is making more sense to me. My ATP has been warped since gastric bypass and likely before.
     
  12. Destiny

    Destiny New Member

    I stopped using the D-ribose a couple of days ago. My FBS started steadily climbing up. The day I stopped it was 105. This was after many months of being in 70's -80's. My hearth rate went over 100 upon rising and the palpitations were truly uncomfortable all day long and during the night. I also could feel that my cortisol was in overdrive. I started feeling very much off and my night sleep was taking a hit too. This morning my FBG was 88, heart rate 94 and palpitations are weaker and going away.

    I actually also stopped not only d-ribose but also the nasal oxytocin, decreased COQ10 since those were initiated at the same time with d-ribose. So for what I know, it might have been the effect of oxytocin. Not sure. I guess it is never a good idea to start many new things all at once. I really need to grow some patience!
     
  13. MamaGrok

    MamaGrok New Member

    After two weeks on, two weeks off, and a week back on d-ribose, all I can say definitively is that it *does* slightly increase my cravings, I do definitely crave it, and when I eat a bunch, say 10-15gm in one sitting, it makes my head spin the same way too much sugar or fruit will do.

    I must be totally broken. LOL.
     
  14. MamaGrok

    MamaGrok New Member

    As usual, the dizzy headed feeling isn't high blood sugar. I thought it would be, still I got a monitor, and it never is. This time, in fact, my blood sugar is 55. Not good. I feel fine other than the "ate way too much sugar" feeling. My fasting BG is often 58-78.
     
  15. docwatt@gmail.com

    docwatt@gmail.com New Member

    I have to say I've never been a fan of those operations for even the most obese. Most folks who have a gastric bypass, either Roux-en-Y or sleeve end up looking "grey"

    Tom
     
  16. MamaGrok

    MamaGrok New Member

    When I put d-ribose in my hand and then into my mouth, after a few days of doing this, it turns my palm brown. Not tan brown, an uneven, dirty-looking brown. Anyone else?
     
  17. MamaGrok

    MamaGrok New Member

    Okay, holey moley. I took 10-15g d-ribose an hour ago. I am shaky & weak now. Just took my blood sugar. 49.


    !!!!

    What is going on?!

    ETA I'm not the only one. http://www.livestrong.com/article/496655-d-ribose-safety/ Taking more than 10gm has a known side effect of hypoglycemia. Problem is, I can't take just 5gm. I want more and more and more.

    It does not look like this is a good idea for me.

    ETA - it looks like much of d-ribose is made from corn sugar. I can't have corn!!! How do I find out which d-ribose isn't made from corn?!
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2013
  18. diane

    diane Gold

    Mamagrok - I've never experienced this. I actually feel better and my tired feeling goes away when I take 10 - 15 mg.
     
  19. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    today I've been kicking back the d-ribose - its basically helped me function today w/my migraine. I could barely keep breakfast down until I had some green tea w/ 20g of d-ribose in it... there's no way I could have eaten lunch either - so more green tea and d-ribose...
     
  20. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Sure sign of issues Moma grok.....last week you were blaming D ribose for raising your blood sugar now its crashing.......your liver clock and your head clock are no longer yoked......my bet is you got a major EMF issue somewhere.
     

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