Wow, I notice the same thing, Shijin! I am down to two meals a day since I started using d-ribose. I am just not hungry during the day. I have been using 1 scoop X 3 a day.

 

I'm using way more than that! 15g in the am w/my coffee and 10g midday w/my green tea and another 10g if I get a cT Session in...

 

I might give a try to go a bit higher at noon since I don't eat.

 

It seems like if I do more than 5g at breakfast, I have trouble sleeping. However, almost everything gives me trouble sleeping, so it's hard to say for sure that it's the D-Ribose, but I'm almost positive. I wish I could take more, because it makes me feel fabulous - lots of energy, no aching muscles, and less brain fog.

 

I have no idea... I'm following what my intuition is telling me... when I do that I tend to get better faster... so I'm listening to my *gut* and going from there...

 

What's the thinking here? How would d-ribose slow down the shift to the fat burning pathway? Is this possible?

 

I think people keep focusing on the fact that d-ribose is a sugar even tho Jack has repeatedly stated it is not used by the body the way all other sugars are.

 

My report: taking d-rib at 5, then 10, then 15gm/day for two weeks, and results:

1 - bloating & water retention won't go down no matter what I do
2 - subtle but solid increase in physical energy
3 - mood meltdowns disappeared then got worse than ever
4 - sugar binge

In that order.

I think #1 could be from very low carb intake on a few days (berries). But the swelling is drastically out of proportion to that. Or it could be that my new ox bile sucks. I kind of suspect the latter, b/c cramps & runs are back here and there.

I think #2 could be the d-rib or continued increase in iodine or continued thyroid improvement or continued improvement from circadian T3. Not sure.

I think #3 could be b/c being on the slopes made all better, and within a day of being back at home, I was falling apart mid-afternoon again, in more dramatic fashion than before. I am doing things I never in my life would have imagined, like crying because I have to leave the house. I used to be one who disdained those who were affected by their emotions. Now my emotions are running amok.

I think #4 could be the d-rib, too. It may not be a sugar, but it TASTES like it, and my taste buds know, just like they know when you eat Splenda or xylitol or aspartame that things taste sweet. I had a disaster tonight after nearly a week clean.

I'm out of d-rib now. Anyone know where to buy it in bulk for a good cost? That little LEF container lasted two measly weeks. I was planning to go without a week or two to see if energy runs low again, but then was frightened by the thought of losing the energy, and now am even more frightened by the binge. Dunno...

Yes, from their bodies. Do all need it supplemented? That would make no biological sense, unless all, across the planet, are affected by excess EMF.

What is PPP? Thank you. I can't keep up with all these blogs, grateful as I am for them. I can barely keep myself together.

It hasn't affected my sleep, unless it's to let me survive on 8 or 8.5 hrs instead of desperately needing 9+. That's nice. No matter how late I take it, it doesn't keep me up, wake me up, or keep me up if I wake.

It does nothing good for my appetite.

 

MG sorry - ppp stands for the penthose phosphate pathway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentose_phosphate_pathway

I'm not getting far with that pathway myself yet!

 

Just my two cents worth..my take on di ribose is that it is a pathway which recycles left over ATP products in the cell for re use by mitochondria......allowing for more energy..... anabolic? bad memory?

 

I'll have a guess. I think it's because there are two ways to get glucose. Obviously, one way is via glucose/sucrose. But the other is via free fatty acids which convert themselves in the body. Hence, fat-burning pathway is this pathway. I'm still not entirely sure where d-ribose fits in, however.

 

Low NADPH is very common in ME/CFS, probably Autism spectrum disorders too. Other neuroinflammatory conditions? Maybe?

Here is a quote from the late Rich Van Konynenburg http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...fs-nadph-measurement-at-riordan-clinic.15641/ ....after a test detecting low NADPH was patented as a diagnostic test for ME/CFS last year. Some of it seems relevant here.

For me (with ME/CFS) it seems as if getting more PPP action is a good way to go. Perhaps anyone who needs to improve their ATP AMP ratio.

Re what it burns for fuel... glucose 6 phosphate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose_6-phosphate Anna I'm not sure if that's sugars from dietary sources exactly. It's too complex for me to understand...it seems to be related to DNA and RNA...I'm way out of my league here!

OK, so how does this - supporting the PPP - tie in with the cold pathway? I need that part explaining to me like I'm a ten year old. Preferably with pictures.
Too many questions.

 

A recycling facility takes in my old paper and turns it into new paper, but it needs machines to do that. Those machines need fuel, oil, replacement parts when they get old. If I keep using the same machines for years and years and it runs out of fuel or parts need replacing, and I don't do that, I can't recycle anymore.

Recycling requires not just the old parts, but the equipment and the fuel for the equipment needed to do the actual recycling.

 

Thought about this. It's an adenosine signalling thing?

 

you'll see have some patience.......

 

Anna, cold activates the neural pathway, not the PPpathway.From experience I know cold tends to switch you from carbohydrate seeking to fat seeking/tolerating/burning...that's going to get you further into Winter, carbs being less available and all.
So, perhaps there is some other (Winter specific? Righting-the-ship specific?) function of using the PPpathway more than modern humans do. More NADPH. More reducing power. More DNA methylation. Need more ribose!?

And, somewhere here, EMF and earth-disconnect are spanners in the works.

That about the sum total of my questions - currently. LOL.

...And I think I'll go back to discussing the pros and cons of sulfur salt with Lauren

 

Oh, yes please. My brain can understand salt. What are the cons do you think?

 

The colour!?

 

OK, clearly, I can't leave this one alone.

I think... the cold "pathway" has the effect of slowing something down...not just for the sake of doing that and saving the battery...but in order for something else to "catch up" and/or connect?? It allows us to switch metabolic pathways...become way more efficient at something important. <-- I'm betting it's really important. And the net result is highly antioxidative. (More PPP, and more NADPH yeah!)
It happens in sleep, and possibly more in Winter.

When things are "off" as they are in most modern humans, the net result is oxidative instead? Like my EMF exposed bacteria? Like any disturbed ecosystem.

Of course I might have just made all that up.

 

correct.........