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What to do with a goiter?

Discussion in 'Heal Your Hormones' started by Butters, Dec 8, 2016.

  1. Butters

    Butters New Member

    Hm that definitely doesnt help me..
    I know seafood is save, but will it really reverse my issue? That is the question.
    But a far more important question is:

    Will a high iodine supplementation cause any hyperthyroidism etc.?
  2. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

  3. JanSz

    JanSz Gold


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  4. caroline

    caroline Moderator

    there is a huge iodine thread here somewhere ..... many people ran into serious difficulties supplementing with iodine.

    Dr. Kruse is telling you very specifically ....... eat lots of seafood and get lots of sun.
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  5. Butters

    Butters New Member

    Oh thx. This iodine thread is so long. But I will read through. I just started and found some interesting thing:

    "If your thyroid swells, it means your body is soaking up the iodide that's it's been lacking and it will usually resolve by itself. Some will increase their dose to push through that symptom while others back off the dose awhile until it balances out again in the thyroid."

    That is what I preciseley found. I upped my dose too quickly and suddenly I had a thick feeling in my throat. A little scared I dropped the lugols which I had taken for 5 days on 40mg. I upped it over 3 days. That was my own dumbness. I think the feeling slowly fades away.

    But anyway the iodine thread is a general iodine thread and I wanted this thread precisely for my problem.
    And I can not imagine I am the only one here in this forum with an enlarged thyroid.
    So it would also be nice if we would have some people writing who have an enlarged thyroid, too. Maybe we have some, who have reversed it and can talk about their steps.
    The whole discussion about Dr. Jack doesnt help and the focus on the topic is fading. We should not forget he isnt allowed to give any medical advise here, so his answers will always be not direct.

    I will summarize the important things I picked up:

    -seafood is the best natural iodine source, but to meet 150-200µg per day you will have to eat 200-300g of iodine rich fish or shellfish per day in general
    For example:

    mackerel raw- 100g / 85µg iodine
    mackerel smoked - 100g / 46µg iodine
    herring 100g/35µg
    mussels cooked - 100g/140µg iodine
    cod liver canned - 100g/500µg iodine

    Mackerel raw is the highest (despite of cod liver) of all fish. Mussels are better and prawns I found too. Cod liver is excellent. I eat canned cod liver so that is no problem.
    But we have to admit that even to meet 150-200µg per day one have to eat a lot of fish. You have to eat mussels, cod liver or prawns to get the amount for a normal thyroid.

    The more hallides we eat, the more iodine we need to meet. (that was on purpose :D )

    Question is: Can I reverse that enlarged thyroid that just with the general requirement meeting of a normal thyroid? Is the 200µg only for the thyroid in this state or is the body even deficient?

    I dont see lugols as a permanent supplement. In my view I would only use it until I would have reversed the issue.
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  6. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Alex it is not hard at all to get more than enough iodine through food, also very cheap food :) Look;
    Kabeljau (Cod) has 229 ug / 100 grams
    Alaska Seelachs (Pollock) has 100-260 ug / 100grams
    Oysters also have quite a bit, 73 ug / 100 grams

    I would not eat too much fish liver as you might get too much vit A if you eat it all the time....

    I also eat fresh cooked mussels all the time now, several times / week, as they are in season and really cheap, and I like them very much :) I buy them from Aldi or Lidl, 1 kg cost about 2,20 euro :)
    1 kg frozen Pollock cost around 4,50 euro, you get it from Lidl or Aldi too. It is my regular budget food when I am out of money..lol

    So to eat 400 grams of these fishes a day would give you around 800 ug / day!
    I can even eat that amount easily in one meal..lol it is not that much :)

    If I were you I would start with that, maybe add some seaweed in here and there (be careful to not add too much tho, or you might get heart palps like I did ;)...)

    If you still want to additionally supplement idone I would just use a few drops on my skin once in a while....

    But it is really easy to get enough iodine through diet :)
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  7. Inger

    Inger Silver

    when you take care to eat lots of seafood you will get so many other benefits too! Think about all the Zink, Selenium, Magnesium... and other great things that are in them!
    A win-win situation :)
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  8. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  9. Butters

    Butters New Member

    Thx, Inger. So that white fish has more iodine instead of DHA. I didnt know that.
    There are still things to learn. And you are right with the co-factors from fish.
    When taking lugols it is recommended that one take these cofactors in equal quantity, so I dont forget that.

    JanSz I will read that. Thx too.
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  10. Nicolaj Sølvsten

    Nicolaj Sølvsten New Member

    I like you butters, good luck!
  11. Foxglove

    Foxglove New Member

    Thank you for asking this, because I was about to ask the same question. I first started taking kelp tablets, but in Dec my TSH went up to 3. It's never been that high, but I read that the rise is supposed to be temporary. I have what I call a "smoldering thyroid" which has never been overtly hypo, but I have had thyroiditis in the past, and I have mild antibodies. Hashi's is very strong in my family, so I assume I inherited it. Anyway, I erred in not using selenium to offset. I switched to Trace Minerals ionic iodine because maybe kelp has bromine in it (?), while high dose Lugol's seemed too drastic and the idea freaked me out. Anyway, I am now taking selenium 200mcg with something like 275/300 mcg of the iodine. I sometimes get the swelling feeling in my throat and back off the iodine for a day, throw in an extra selenium. My next thyroid test will be in July. I have a feeling I should stay the course and see what the test shows before changing my routine again. Dose up or down?? On some nights/mornings, I notice a fast heart rate while laying down. That has backed off somewhat, but I noticed it came back on a bad day recently (little sleep, relapsed the coffee habit, maybe not thyroid but maybe related). I have felt fine thoughout the process.

    Edit: forgot to mention I was eating salmon almost every day in the last couple months of 2017. I tried to back it off to 2-3x per week, but my eczema came back, which is my sign that my skin isn't getting enough Histidine, per Jack. I'm now trying to do shrimp bc I think I respond to it better than salmon. I could definitely improve my overall seafood and oyster intake considering I could be outright iodine deficient, but for now I'm being consistent.
    Last edited: May 3, 2018

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