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What the H--- is Factor X??? Post your guesses.

Discussion in 'Cold Thermogenesis' started by AKMan, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. janagram

    janagram New Member

    ok...I had a theory...but having read this thread I can see my theory is not on the horizon at all....but JK said he views the sun every sunrise and sunset....soooo....I was going in the direction of the ancient, esoteric and heretical art of.... sungazing. There it is. Guess not.
  2. janagram

    janagram New Member

    I'm a fan of heresies...that's why I like Kruse!
  3. Kirstin

    Kirstin New Member

  4. donkjellberg

    donkjellberg Silver

    Dr. K's big hints: One thing Wil Hof, polar bears, penguins, Sherpas, and Tibetan monks have in common other than cold exposure is reduced oxygen supplies. After experimenting with CT, I can watch Marching with the Penguins and understand how they can successfully protect their eggs. Wil Hof, polar bears, and penguins seem to exasperate this phenomenon when they swim under very cold waters.

    I started total submersion last night and find my morning appetite suppressed more than usual. I am no scientist and go for practical application when I begin to get a basic understanding of things. CT has been working very powerfully with my goals of prevention, especially after the effect I noted this morning. Swimming under water is now my next CT goal. This may not be Factor X but I find total submersion helps me perceive cold water differently: it wasn't as cold. Maybe it is adaption at work or as mentioned earlier the physiologic changes that occur when the brain receives appropriate stimuli.
  5. chocolate

    chocolate Silver

    I guess the brain isn't supposed to get that cold.
  6. Kirstin

    Kirstin New Member

    Also, he said that alpha-MSH and the activation of melanocytes was common to all of them and important (and the white and black skin/fur/feathers) in that it helped protect against hypothermia. So, how do we put these together to get Factor X??!!!
  7. I wonder if salinity adjustments to the homeostasis?
  8. jenn

    jenn New Member

    My mind keeps coming back again and again to the beginning and ending part of the Linkin Park video that shows grass sprouting and growing rapidly. I think about the connection of that to the Fibonacci video, patterns of growth, the mathematically and visually perfect spiral of a nautilus shell..... Plants and animals need no neolithic brain to achieve perfection of form and function, but instead function from instinct. If humans could uncover our own instinct to perfection and* pair* it with the conscious control of our neolithic brain....

    How does this tie in with polar bears and penguins? Not sure. I read that after mating, female polar bears hold the fertilized eggs in a sort of "suspended animation" until they're ready to hibernate and then somehow signal their bodies to proceed. Again, all from instinct. Could humans, under the right circumstances, similarly, and perhaps consciously, signal our bodies into a state of growth or healing?Is Factor X the epigenetic switch we flip that pairs our ancient programming with our creative and self-aware neolithic brain?
  9. AmyK

    AmyK New Member

    The setup of the saline ballon system reminds me of the countercurrent circulation in cold-adapted species, where the arteries and veins are very close together so the arterial heat transfers to the veins instead of being lost to the environment.
  10. Robo

    Robo New Member

    My opinion: FACTOR X is CELL REGENERATION due to the the Cold Thermogenesis process. It's a rebirth by eliminating modern day technologies and allowing the David in all of us to appear.
  11. AmyK

    AmyK New Member

    I don't know if this is Factor-X related, but I think it is reasonable that Wim Hof could be using this adaptation to keep warm.
  12. Robo

    Robo New Member

    My opinion: FACTOR X is CELL REGENERATION due to the the Cold Thermogenesis process. It's a rebirth by eliminating modern day technologies and allowing the "David" in all of us to appear.
  13. chocolate

    chocolate Silver

    And isn't bad stuff scavenged during this time? I only hear about bad stuff in arteries, never veins. But I don't know. blah,blah,blah
  14. chocolate

    chocolate Silver

    And isn't bad stuff scavenged during this time? I only hear about bad stuff in arteries, never veins. But I don't know. blah,blah,blah I think the biofilms stuff would be eaten up.
  15. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    There are many times (one was my list a few days ago) where Dr. Kruse has said that something was not Factor X, and today like with Chocolate and the telomeres, but that is was selected for by Factor X...so the obvious question should be what in nature is even able to select or is responsible for selection?

    This is probably an incomplete thought but here's my start...I'll be away from all this for awhile so someone have a go at it:

    "Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, but the genetic (heritable) basis of any phenotype that gives a reproductive advantage will become more common in a population (see allele frequency). Over time, this process can result in populations that specialize for particular ecological niches and may eventually result in the emergence of new species. In other words, natural selection is an important process (though not the only process) by which evolution takes place within a population of organisms. As opposed to artificial selection, in which humans favour specific traits, in natural selection the environment acts as a sieve through which only certain variations can pass."
    - that's nature's law.

    I feel that Factor X is in our biology. It is the conditions the cells find themselves in that creates an environment that matches our ancient pathway that allows for it to be expressed. With our cells reset back to their intended natural state (through Hypoxia) allowed for by environmental conditions of cold, low light and calorie restriction, the benefits of Factor X can be seen. Factor X is nature's rule that when we match our cells with their preferred condition the cells behave optimally. The benefits of Factor X are all the cool things it has selected for like longer telomers.

    instincts too, can't forget those...

    If it's not this then we need to dig deeper into the role selection plays, or in factors of selection.
  16. HeyDianne

    HeyDianne New Member

    I think this may be hitting, cold and full immersion, perhaps salinity of the water can have an effect as well. I second what you say about perceiving the cold of the water differently when submerged. Sitting in a tub of mildly cold water seems to me much more difficult than immersion in the Pacific. I also note that when entering the Pacific I find it torture to have the water touch my abdomen and the torture is only relieved by just diving in full body.

    I think the swimming under water goal will be one I will be following you on asap.
  17. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    I like this, it's nice and simply stated!!
  18. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    We know there is something there, good job!
  19. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    If you can tap into the perception that's cool, is this a factor or a result?
  20. chocolate

    chocolate Silver

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