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What the H--- is Factor X??? Post your guesses.

Discussion in 'Cold Thermogenesis' started by AKMan, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned

    I'm just catching up on this thread after spending the weekend on the slopes.... so sorry if I missed something along the way.

    [​IMG] don't know how to make this actually show

    Optimal/Superhuman = (neolithic brain)x(paleolithic brain)2

    Factor X = Paleolithic Brain (everything but the neocortex)

    Michelangelo's David --> carve away the marble (neolithic brain/neocortex) to reveal the David ( the perfect human)

    combine the two in the perfect arrangement, create Superhuman

    Carve away your neolithic brain that has taken over...

    you do this by getting cold (primordial condition), eating a paleo keto diet, eliminating mis-matches, adhering to circadian and seasonal rhythms ..... all of this is giving the paleolithic brain more power so we can access our inborn primal instincts and biology again, marry that with our genius neolithic brain.... SuperHuman.
  2. jumcc

    jumcc New Member

    Dr. Kruse has said before we only use part of our brain. Mother nature gave us the gift of this superior brain to do great things. We have used our brains in the wrong way which has led to evolution progressing too fast for our body to be able to adapt to the environment we have created, thus the mismatched environment in terms of tempurature, activity, sleep, food etc. Adaptation takes hundreds of years. If we can get back to where our body is supposed to be in terms of evolution we can use our brain in the way mother nature intended for us to use it. Perhaps when we get back to our comfortable adapted state parts of our brain will be activated that we never knew we had.
  3. thyme

    thyme New Member

    sheesh. Nothing like going to sleep for the night and finding you've missed all the good stuff. MJ--fantastic work. Yes, it's a group effort and everybody is feeding in and kudos to everyone!!--and MJ, you're doing great at picking up the nuggets and rattling them around to make something useful.

    couple thoughts for the group rattle that are rattlign around in my brain now--Dr K's been heavily pushing seafood for the last couple of months. Eat paleo keto, do CT, follow circadian rhythms, eat lots of seafood. Polar bears subside on seals; penguins on krill, squids, and the bigger penguins on fish.

    Alpha-MSH has a competitor of sorts, Desacetyl-α-MSH, which "is more abundant than α-MSH in the brain, the fetus, human blood, and amniotic fluid". Wild fish have more D-MSH and less alpha-msh than farmed fish (can't find the reference now!!)
  4. jumcc

    jumcc New Member

    something that i often think about is why do humans like the warmth and carbs? Why have we become what we have become, what made us select for this path in our evolution, why did we go down this track???
  5. jumcc

    jumcc New Member

  6. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned

    think horizontally --> neolithic brain (neocortex)

    think vertically --> paleolithic brain (hind brain and mid brain and possibly the spinal cord?)

    the process of factor X.... carving away the neolithic brain that is covering up our primal instinct... we are doing it all slowly at this time (that is except for *me* who as usual cannot get to sleep and is using technology @ 3am :rolleyes:)

    seafood is so important b/c we need it to flip the switch for the ancient pathways... but it also made it possible to evolve our neocortex... which is now killing us

    that youtube video... it's our paleo brain (dolphin) being covered up by the neolithic mess we have created

    so basically, we have two brains that are connected but we only consciously use one of them, the neolithic brain, the paleo brain is working automatically but subconsciously. We need to re-learn our awareness of the paleo brain so we can make use of the insight it provides.... um, have I gone off the deep end....

    I really need to get some sleeeeeeep.
  7. thyme

    thyme New Member

    Levee 25: Hypoxia, hasn't surfaced much. "Hypoxia is a cellular state that disrupts normal oxygen supply to the tissue, causing cellular dysfunction....Hypoxia plays a role in aging because as one ages the amount of blood to organs declines as the heart fails to deliver the same amount of blood through a stiffened arterial tree throughout the body. This allows cellular oxygen levels to fall and usually is a signal to mitochondrial biogenesis to offset the deficits.As one ages this signaling system is not as accurate in sensing changes to the oxygen level.Low oxygen tension is a signal to autophagic pathways that normally help repair cells. If this gets impaired signaling autophagy become less effective as we age and results in more organ failure and diseases of aging. Hypoxia is a critical signaling in the cell for repair processes."

    I know simple breath work was shot down earlier, but the mamalian diving reflex--which dr k said to start CT with, via the face dunks, but didn't talk much about--does a lot of fascinating things to the human body...it is a throwback from not just our neolithic brains, but pre-paleo, too--pre-human. It's nominally to guard against hypoxia, but I don't think that's it--it's a state of enduring hypoxia that radically resets lots of cellular networks in the body. There are some blooming idiot humans who use the diving reflex to swim more than 100M down (and sometimes get so swept into the competition that they DIE. Don't go messing with this until you know what you're doing.) It slows the heart rate, restricts blood flow, and actually lets blood into your lungs' capillaries..freedivers use the last to not be killed by the pressure differential at depths.

    Polar bears & penguins breathe air; polar bears swim underwater for 6-7 minutes; penguins for 30 minutes or so. Both use a varient of the mamalian diving reflex (I know, penguins aren't mammals--this stuff is _old_, evolutionarily speaking, though penguins might have gotten it on their own..)

    see the Mamalian Diving Reflex:

    "Dr. Katherine Martien, a Neurodevelopmental Disabilities Specialist in the Pediatrics Department at the Massachusetts General Hospital, compares the human dive response to hibernation. When a grizzly bear hibernates during the winter, it reduces almost all the activity in its body so it can use less energy to stay alive in the cold. Similarly, when a child is submerged in very cold water, the body reacts by decreasing activity, conserving both energy and oxygen.

    When Gore fell into the river, his body responded with the diving reflex as soon as the freezing water hit the trigeminal nerve of his face. His body rapidly cooled and his heart rate and metabolism slowed dramatically to decrease his body’s oxygen requirement; he lapsed into protective hypothermia as soon as his core temperature fell below 95°F. After an involuntary breath, the cold water that he inhaled helped cool his core temperature even faster, and Gore lost consciousness when his body temperature reached 88 degrees.

    There is a very fine line between the circumstances that result in drowning and in “near-drowning.â€￾ Near-drowning requires a perfect storm of cold temperatures and young, resilient people; for Gore Otterson, it was a lucky combination. According to Dr. Martien, who has observed cold-water drownings in the emergency room, children exhibit a unique reaction to the cold water.

    The intensity of the human dive response is relative to the temperature of the water; colder water, of course, cools the body faster. Dr. Martien explained that the more intense the dive response, the better the tissues are preserved, and the better the chance of recovering. “Children who go through the ice,â€￾ she said, “those are the kids who have the best chance because it drops their core temperatures so quickly.â€￾
  8. David

    David Silver

    Interesting concept overall, Lauren. An even greater effect would be if each cell relates to every other cell, the effect could be geometric rather than simply a multiplier.

  9. I think about this as well. I am on board with all of this - but I do think there is piece of the puzzle we are missing. Did we evolve our big brains to help us "adapt" as our bodies couldn't keep up with environmental changes?

    So, if there was a "warm area" up in a polar region, would the cold adapted mammals be drawn to it? Clearly there are paradigm shifting effects of cold therapy, but is going full Ice Man the optimal?

  10. I don't think he's confirmed specifically, but has said a few things along the way (and hasn't refuted) so we could infer that is the case.
  11. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    Nature is incredible, we can't improve upon it, you have seen the perfection in the patterns of nature and just looking at the cosmos, or watching a Hummingbird, or listening to a baby's heartbeat in utero tells us just how perfect nature is. You can't interfere with the natural process and make perfect more perfect. Nature will always seek to go back to the mean, and in the case of a cell seek homeostasis...because nature seeks balance...there are a few theories on this, but "basically, all variations on the concept are that systems remain in approximate equilibrium most of the time. Small perturbations cause negative feed back that result in fluctuations from some mean state. Some perturbations may be large enough to destabilize the system too far for a return to the previous approximate equilibrium, then a new approximate equilibrium will be established." As humans we interfere and get in our own way. When we see ecosystems in a state of disequilibrium it is often a result of something man has done, just like Dr. Kruse knows, and Linkin Park observed -look what we've done to our world and ourselves!

    Nature can not be improved upon, and if it is not in balance it can not evolve in perfection. As such, humans can not evolve if they are not connected to the their natural state of being. We have severed our relationships with our natural rhythms and instincts and that is the reason we fail to evolve even greater traits, health and well being - we are not in harmony with nature, and must be.

    Last year there was a big storm in the NE and power was out for over a week. We were forced to live without electricity, and all of our electronics and lights for that time. The first night of any blackout there is a little excitement, "Oh someone get the candles, tell ghost stories." The next day the dread begins to set in, how will we survive without our internet? We have no hot water! How will we dry our hair? Our food is going to spoil! Without electricity we are in a state of panic! How are we going to pass our time? Soon everyone is complaining. Strangely as the week wears on we find that we are really enjoying each other's company, and we find ourselves using the fire pit outside and laying down on the deck staring at the stars - they are amazing! We also strangely find ourselves getting really tired much earlier than we normally would, and as the week wears on we go to bed earlier and earlier and sleep like rocks, even without air conditioning. Eventually, we get word that some people are getting their power back, and I secretly wish for more time without it. I'd begun to adjust to this idea of spending more time together, enjoying nature and for some reason feeling great! The lights come on, and in many ways we share that we are all a little disappointed...

    That experience gave me some important insight...to get in synch with our natural state and actually being there, it's not about controlling our environment, but about letting our natural rhythms dictate our actions. In the absence of blue light and electronics we were able to let our true nature lead us. Though we can get there by trying to follow the cycles "oh the sun is going down, I better put on my yellow glasses for my computer work and then get to sleep." The thing is, you have not arrived until it is every molecule of your body that intuitively dictates your actions. Your actions don't make you in synch and can definitely get you out of synch - it's in following your true nature that you are able to evolve.
  12. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    Ok...so we have the ability to change our DNA through thoughts, our minds are more powerful than we really can imagine - As Yoda would say - "size matters not. Do or do not, there is no try" your body can achieve anything your mind perceives

    "I do believe we are what we perceive" ~ Bergen

    The unchained mind and body is the conduit for Factor X to be leveraged.

    However to get there you need to be cold adapted & Keto - this is where the penguins and the polar bears come in they naturally live this way - how else can a polar bear hibernate - or a male penguin sit on his mates egg for 6mths w/o food, in the coldest environments on earth?

    Add to this linkin Park's "What I've done" - can be looked at from 2 perspectives: Lyrics:

    " I've faced myself

    To Cross out what Ive Become

    Erase Myself

    And let Go of What Ive done"

    Perspective 1:

    Look at these words from an evolutionary perspective - through the power of our brains we've bypassed our epigenetics, allowing us to dominate the earth...this ability to out think evolution is leading to our decline as a species through neolithic diseases, as well as what we've done too the environment with which we live. at some point there is a point of diminishing returns... and nature will "Reset" itself through the continued devolution of humanity. We literally and figuratively sit at the tipping point...

    Perspective2: individually you're wiping the slate clean, reverting to your true epigenetics of evolution, ignoring the neolithic wol, and embracing what is the true course

    As the Thermohaline circulation changes - the temperatures changes, as do weather patterns, resulting in climate change (I'm sorry I don't buy greenhouse gasses) when the conveyer stops - the earth reverts to an ice age, and life returns to the beginning.


    The question is - how does the ability of our mind, allow us to adapt to leverage the pathways we evolved from to survive, and continue evolution... I think this is where/what Factor X is... Its something that's inherent in everything, from all animals (humans included), right down to the earth herself.... Factor X is the "Reset" button for everything.
  13. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    Andy :cool: I'm so glad you joined in...that article has what could explain at least part of why evolutionary changes speed up for early humans from the stressors they faced...

    "Researchers also examined whether the epigenetic differences were hereditary. The answer was yes; the chickens inherited both methylation and gene activity from their parentages. After eight generations of cross breeding the two types of chickens, the differences were still evident.

    The results suggest that domestication has led to epigenetic changes. For more than 70 % of the genes, domesticated chickens retained a higher degree of methylation. Since methylation is a much faster process than random mutations, and may occur as a result of stress and other experiences, this may explain how variation within a species can increase so dramatically in just a short time."
  14. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    Adriana and Croak LOL Shrinkage! LoL I passed that comment to Dr. Kruse on FB but I'm not sure if got the reference...it's so freaking funny!!!
  15. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

  16. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    Dr. Kruse I think would say, because we became too smart for our own good! We did it because we could, without weighing (or even understanding) the consequences of messing with nature.
  17. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    I think so...
  18. I'm so glad Michelangelo used his neolithic skills and knowledge to reveal the underlying paelolithic perfection.

    De-tune the Ferrari and run unleaded.

    Is 'The Human Handbook' imminent?
  19. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    That is a great question, that it will be nice to hear Dr. Kruse answer eventually...is full Ice Man optimal? In watching Frozen Planet last night, those baby wolves really loved the thaw!
  20. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    shijin13 your recap was great, but your enthusiasm here is greater GO GIRL!

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