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Weight loss stall or plateau

Discussion in 'The Leptin Rx' started by David, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. David

    David Silver

    I see quite a bit of information on line regarding the very frustrating stalls in weight loss that many people experience.

    Could Leptin resistance be the root of the problem? Is there any science, or physiological explanation, that can help determine what is actually happening in such cases?
  2. Glamorama

    Glamorama New Member

    I often read about people who stall at what could still be described as a very heavy weight for their height. So obviosuly its not a healthy or ideal set-point. In those cases I personally believe hormonal issues are to blame. Leptin is the master-hormone, so it does make sense to fix that first before trying anything else. It certainly worked for me.
  3. AKMan

    AKMan New Member

    Who's the hottie in the avatar?
  4. Glamorama

    Glamorama New Member

    That would be me, mum of 3 (God I love saying that! What mum doesn't want to look hot!!) LOL
  5. fabbecky

    fabbecky New Member

    Glam - looking super hot! Phew...

    To OP, I will say that the LRx is not a magic bullet to fix stalls or plataeus, BUT it will help you in fixing your overall health and pin pointing problems. Due to the Rx I just figured out this week I have a major sensitivity to dairy that causes super blood sugar crashes and uncontrollable exhaustion.
  6. jeepifer@gmail.com

    jeepifer@gmail.com New Member

    It's not a quick fix, but it got me past a stall and "set point" -- I know Dr. K has said he doesn't believe in them, but my body sure did. LOL
  7. Myree67

    Myree67 New Member

    I've dealt with setpoints and stalls both and usually it's because I haven't been eating enough.
  8. Glamorama

    Glamorama New Member

    A stall can often be triggered by fluid retention that continues for prolonged periods of time, this has totally been my case. The culprits are normally gut-issues (like food allergies) or hormonal imbalances (too much or too little... either way).
  9. BenG

    BenG New Member

    I busted through mine by adding more cold.
  10. David

    David Silver

    I found something that seems to answer my question. (But I will continue to search.) For anyone interested, here is what I have learned. It will be no surprise that overcoming leptin resistance with the Leptin Rx appears to be critical to weight loss.

    From Robert Lustig, “The Trouble with Fructose”:



    • Leptin levels are a function of adipocyte energy stores
    • Leptin tells your brain how thin you are, not how fat you are
    • The brain perceives leptin deficiency as a state of starvation
    • Leptin deficiency causes energy expenditure to decrease, and thyroid levels to decline, while leptin repletion corrects them
    • Caloric restriction leads leptin decline before weight loss, and promotes drive to resume caloric intake
      Obese subjects are hyper-leptinemic and "leptin resistant"
      If we could fix leptin resistance, there wouldn't be obesity


      Due to decreased energy expenditure to offset decreased caloric intake

      Decreased non-exercise associated thermogenesis (NEAT*) – less activity

      * E.g. Fidgeting, which helps to burn calories due to moving muscles constantly. The number of calories burned could be as high as 120 calories an hour.)

      Decreased resting energy expenditure may manifest as:

      Decreased thermic effect of food - perhaps from 50 calories per kilogram LBM to 42 calories per kilogram LBM
      Mitochondrial adaptation (UCP’s) - reactive oxygen species (ROS) production may be increased, which often precedes cell death and decreased liver function and possible slowing of cellular energy delivery.
  11. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    Weight stalls/set points can be the result of hormones not operating optimally. ie if your hypothalamus-pituary-thyroid isnt operating optimally it will basically put your body into a cycle that will keep your body functioning below what it should be. Pregnenolone steal is one such example.
  12. Dan in Utah

    Dan in Utah New Member

    In my experience, some stalls are to be expected. Your metabolism doesn't just change in a linear fashion, more in fits and starts. If a stall lasts for more than 6 weeks, something needs tweaking or testing. Personally, I think sleep is an under appreciated component to weight loss, as is stress reduction. I had a patient that was checking the scale every day. I told her to quit it, because she was doing great and looking good. She was just obsessed with the number on scale. I told her to focus on restful sleep instead -turn off the lights and go to bed early. She called me 20 days later after she went shopping for a smaller pant size.
  13. tellmisty

    tellmisty Administrator

    My understand is Jack personally never did the Leptin Reset by itself. He did the reset + CT. I believe the combination of both of those is what leads him to "not believe in stalls." There are plenty of people who have not been able to hit their weight-loss goals with the LR alone. I just had a salivary hormone test done and boy, was it revealing!!! Lots of things out of whack. Jack gave me a list of things I could do or ... I could cold adapt. Needless to say, I've been doing the protocol since (just over a week). With what Jack has shared about CT, I can't imagine anyone who's serious about being optimal and ESPECIALLY if they have ANY hormone imbalances whatsoever (don't we all???) not doing the CT protocol. We know what must be done; now we must do it!
  14. ginastarke

    ginastarke New Member

    That is so me, too- I got talked into counting calories, and every time I do it, I get into a cycle of lowering my calories, stalling out, getting frustrated, lowering them more, until I can't take the frustration. I can pretty easily stay within a certain limit of calories, but the minute the weather gets nice I want to be out on my bicycle all the time and it turns into a constant calories in/calories out math test. It's like balancing my checkbook every two hours :p
  15. TheKid

    TheKid Gold

    I posted this in another thread, but thought I would put it here as well since it seems related. Here's my experience so far:

    You know, I've been wondering the same thing about gaining and stalling out. I myself ahve been on the Leptin Rx for 6 weeks. Dropped a couple pounds max, but generally stayed within the same average weight range. I stopped all workouts exept riding my bike to work. I was really puzzled at the lack of continued weight loss.

    I started CT two weeks ago and suddenly got crazy carb cravings. They got so intense couple of days ago that I succumbed and had a 4 donuts and large latte. Doubled back the next day with 2 donuts and latte.

    Almost IMMEDIATELY I bloated. Pants fit tighter. Little more noticeable belly fat. It was awful.

    What puzzled me was that I had previously lost cravings altogether and in fact was to the point where I frequently felt OK to skip lunch and just eat dinner. Other signs of LS were not really there yet; but I thought I was further along in the process. Can't figure out why the cravings came and why the binge had such a profound impact. Back to the drawing board.
  16. Destiny

    Destiny New Member

    My journey has been frustrating too. I believe this is equivalent to the damage in your body.

    I always was a normal weight around 130-135 lbs but my body composition was not ideal and lost a gall bladder in the process. In last few years, I started gaining and was sure of the estrogen dominance. I started supplementing with progesterone cream. That helped with my PMS but the weight was going up. In the meantime, I was treated for Lyme and H pylori. I ended up at 152 lbs when I found dr Davies and dr Kruse. I have been on the reset since December. All in all, I only lost 5 lbs but my body composition is better. Also my FBS went down.

    In January, I had salivary test done - almost no estrogen, high nocturnal cortisol (a lot of palpitations going on), high DHEAs, normal progesterone and testosterone. I got BHR estrogen supplementation. Do I have the pregnalone steal going on even with high DHEAs?
  17. David

    David Silver

    I have not actually seen a stall, per se, myself. I began observing the Paleo diet last October and started the Leptin Rx over seven weeks ago. I was experiencing a weekly weight loss of about a pound each week at that time, with about a pound variation each day. Until I began CT.

    I then gained five pounds over the next week or so, as I started to cold-adapt with face dunks in ice water. I then began cold showers (following my usual morning ritual of a warm soap ‘n’ scrub), working up to 30 minutes at max cold setting over a few days. I immediately started to lose weight, about seven pounds in the next week. It appears that weight loss has resumed where it was initially and continues the daily fluctuation steadily downward.

    I have been icing my torso for a couple of weeks while watching television (through orange glasses) and had only one bone-headed incident of icing too long: skin temperature on my gut got down to 44F! No apparent harm, but I am much more careful now.

    I started with cold baths two days ago and I already see the need for ice to get the temperature lower. I will use a bucket full of ice on my next dunk.

    I am starting to see nearly all of the reset factors and benefits, although my FBG is now up to around 100, so I may still have liver LR. I have ordered hormone tests and expect results soon.

  18. TerrierMom

    TerrierMom Gold

    Jack has said in comments before if you stall it's time to check your labs as hormones are likely out of whack and you may need a little help. That being said, he's said elsewhere how CT optimizes your hormones... So I'm thinking it's more like, if you don't have the ability to get labs, CT ought to get things moving.. Misty thanks for putting the two together with jacks comment to you!
  19. TerrierMom

    TerrierMom Gold

    Destiny I think you just solved something that plagues me on and off.. Palpitations at night. Sometimes I wake up heart pounding so hard and fast! Always with a nightmare before so I wondered if the pounding caused the nightmare or the other way around. Ack!! So what do we do for high nighttime cortisol?.. I am on the reset with CT (just starting the soak phase but doing daily dunks and spot icing!) time for my own salivary test.
  20. TerrierMom

    TerrierMom Gold

    Gina Jack has never been about calories. In the CT blogs he talks about how a very low calorie diet will be optimal.... But you work your way there and truly when CT )has activated and grown your BAT, you lose excess calories as heat anyway and don't store as fat anymore.

    I'd say just go through the process, get your cold on.. I've found it naturally regulates my caloric intake. With a BAB I've mostly stopped eating lunch! I get mildly hungry about 3 ( breakfast at 6) but easily hold off til 5 or 6 (with no jitters shakes or homicidal feeelings whatsoever, unlike when I ate SAD and had to eat every 3 hours or ELSE!)

    With the cold too and as I progress on the reset my appetite shifts... I just go with it. It's crazy how my body tells me when it's full now. Haven't felt that for 20 years (unless it was to unbutton my pants due to fullness!!).

    Good luck breaking your stall.. Go get cold!! So much easier than chronic cardio!!

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