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Vaccines and leaky gut

Discussion in 'Optimal Kids' started by BeingVenus, May 8, 2012.

  1. BeingVenus

    BeingVenus New Member

    OK I know I'm going to ruffle some

    Feathers bringing this up but what are you other mother's stance on this? I personally decided to delay since my son was born via csection and a ton of antibiotics and I was worried about possible leaky gut (which judging from his semi-frequent food induced rashes was well warranted.) Are your kids on schedule? Delayed/selective? Complete opt-out ? My current plan is to get my toddler on GAPS as soon as he's nursing less than 2x a day and then selective vax. I still think getting wild chicken pox is a good idea for instance. Then again I also second guess myself too and wonder if I've entered the pit of quackery and am doing the wrong thing. Anyway, I am extremely ambivalent. Please no vitriol, I'm just looking for personal experiences/decisions.
  2. donkjellberg

    donkjellberg Silver

    My son received all recommended vaccines before I really looked into it. Currently, he suffers from autoimmune problems. He is sensitive to dairy (even raw, grass-fed kefir), and pretty much all grains. His gut is definitely damaged. He use to have intermittent stomach aches that would put him on the ground in the fetal position as a toddler. We now home school him due the complications and headaches that came from public school. I now realize he is our responsibility alone. Most of his complications are controlled and he is much more creative these days.

    Don't know if the vaccines contributed or not. I personally would have waited. Hindsight is 20/20. As you know, there are benefits and risks with vaccines. Don't decide in haste or worry about the ruffling others' feathers. Just follow your heart tempering the safety of your children.
  3. ColdBren

    ColdBren New Member

    I too attribute some issues to giving my 5 year old 5 vaccines at once (required for kindergarten) she developed a vocal tic that night. I believe it was from the chicken pox virus but have no way of knowing. She is now 7 and still has the occasional tics. I wont be giving my 2 year old the chicken pox one, ever. She will probably get the rest but never more than 2 at a time......I so regret the way I did the first one
  4. IceBarbie

    IceBarbie New Member

    I started vaccinating my first son but he had such a bad reaction that I figured it wasn't a good idea to risk it again. 104 fever, high pitched screaming followed by deep sleep from which it was hard to wake him. This was 28+ years ago--before I had the internet to do research. So my 2nd son received no vaccines at all--even at birth. And my daughter has not received any vaccines either. Not a one. We use the Personal Conviction Waiver for Wisconsin. I continue to read all I find about vaccines and I have yet to find a truly good reason to use any vaccine. They are not tested on children (since they say that would be "unethical" to 1/2 the kids in the research group) and they contain the blood of diseased animals, cells from aborted fetuses (called "human duploid cells"), aluminum, mercury (yes, even though they say mercury was "phased out" it's still in flu shots and a number of others), peanut oil (which is thought to be the cause of all those severe peanut allergies in this country) etc. Yes, even the dreaded Tetanus shot is suspect in my book. It's rare to contract it and it's treatable even though they won't tell you that. I could go on all day about this...

    One last thing: My kids are now 18, 25 & 28 and have been very healthy. In 28 years we've had 3 ear infections in our home and one of them was MINE. (They were all nursed until 2-3 years of age). They have high IQ's (son has a 150 IQ in Math & my youngest just scored a 33 out of 36 on her ACT's) and none ever had any learning issues or ADHD or ADD or other behavioral issues. I don't think it's a coincidence either. 1 in 55 boys now has an Autism diagnosis. And I never relied on the "herd mentality" that assumes I am willing to let everyone else's kids take the risk from shots to protect my own kids. Anytime we find out a kid had just been vaccinated, we avoid that kid like the plague. If vaccines were TRULY effective, vaccinated kids should be safe from unvaccinated kids anyway. But they aren't. So vaccinated kids are always getting the measles and whooping cough and it's not MY fault. The vaccines are crap and not without risk. Some young children are more vulnerable than others and no one knows who those poor kids are until the damage has been done. The chicken pox vaccine is nothing like the natural chicken pox kids used to get. Now 2 year olds are getting shingles after getting the chicken pox vaccine. My friend's baby contracted Whooping Cough from her just vaccinated 2 year old sister and almost died as an tiny infant before she was old enough to get vaccinated. On and on it goes. Okay...off my soap box now.....
  5. kathylu

    kathylu Gold

    Whoo boy! I am in the middle of this right now. I have a 5 year old who may be starting school this fall (still haven't decided, we may homeschool) and I have had him on a waaay delayed vaccine schedule. My personal policy is: no more than 1 vaccine per visit, I always request the one that has the least harmful substances in it (you have to research the ingredients for each one) and some I will not let him have at all. If we do put him in school, I will have to sign the religious exemption waiver for my state (Maryland). That doesn't feel honest to me, but it may be the best of a bad situation. Also, I should point out that I am not totally anti-vaccine, as I do believe they prevent disease. They also harm some children and I don't want mine to be one of them. Read "The Vaccine Book" by Robert W. Sears, MD. He gives a thorough and reasonable analysis of the issues and he has a delayed vaccine schedule in the book for you to use if you wish.

    Also, my boy has never been ill (well, maybe 3 colds in 5 years), knock on wood. No allergies, ear infections, etc. None of the other things that seem to plague most households. Is that because I have been selective about vaccines? Who knows.
  6. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    We vaccinated both kids on a delayed schedule. Fortunately our pediatrician is old school and believes we pump our kids w/too many vaccines/antibiotics. instead of vaccinating w/ MMR at 12mth he does it at 18mths. we just finished both kids vaccine series this past march.

    W/dd we waited on the chicken pox to see if we could contract it w/o having to have the shot - but there are so few cases in the area in NoVA that is damn hard contract it naturally. so we just went ahead and had her get the vaccine.

    the kids get probitocs regularly, as well as bone broths...

    I've worked w/biological agents - vaccines are very important - however, I do agree w/our Ped that we give far too many than we used to. I had a different set of vaccines than my kids had - they've had more - but I had tiburclum and small pox vaccines in 73 - when the were no longer standard practice (yet again old school ped) my kids now have almost as many vaccines as I've had - from when I was in the military.

    Vaccines have their place and are necessary. parents and peds need to be aware of the entire family dynamic when vaccinating, especially when live viruses are used, as there can be complications associated w/those live vaccines and they can transmit the disease to un-vaccinated family members. However I do not think they are contributing to the ASD increase. I think epigenetics are playing a roll, as is diet of mother, and child.
  7. primat

    primat Silver

    Sorry for the off-topic; but are ear infections and vaccines linked somehow? It seems to be referenced a lot.

    Google didn't find anything worthwhile (or I'm a noob ;)) and just curious since I had seven of ear infections from age 8 to 12 which is shortly after a polio + DTP shot.
  8. Sem

    Sem New Member

    I am 100 percent in support of vaccines for a few reasons. One is that my cousin's son has leukemia and I would never want to risk his health and the other is that I have lived in the third world and seen children with many of these preventable diseases first hand. I had a cousin die of complications from measles as a child. that being said, I did break up the vaccines. I didn't give the mmr in one fell swoop but broke it up and made sure none of the vaccines had mercury in them .
  9. PaleoMom

    PaleoMom New Member

    My kids are completely unvaccinated. They never get sick, never had an ear infection etc. My eldest was born autistic though and full of heavy metals. I presume they are from my over vaccinated and generally unhealthy at the time body. She could no longer be diagnosed autistic now, thanks to tons of gut healing and diet, however I have had three doctors tell me "thank goodness you didn't vaccinate her, or you would probably have had a much more severe case of autism".

    I think vaccines cause problems for those whose bodies are already compromised and unable to deal with the intensity of the vaccines attack on the body. Unfortunately I also think this weakness might not be noticable until it is too late. A kid can seem strong and healthy on the outside, but on the inside be just barely dealing with this modern toxic world.
  10. ChristineKleiber

    ChristineKleiber New Member


    Parenting 5 kids for the last 21 years to include one with a genetic disorder with ASD features, I have had my head wrapped all over vaccines. Autism's False Prophets is an excellent book to read to understand more about the "science" behind the studies that are often done on vaccines.

    It has been dizzying to me how the vaccine schedule has changed over the years I have parented. And without a doubt I would NOT vaccinate for chicken pox. I would much rather spend the 5 days at home with a child than vaccinate.

    I was late to the party on adopting a delayed schedule. Mostly I did it for #5 after #4 was diagnosed. She eventually got them all, but I took my sweet time doing it. And truthfully since none of them can be "undone", I just try not to worry anymore about it.

    With respect to content of vaccines, beside the obvious ethical issues of using aborted fetal cells, I think the scientific studies that have moved away from mercury to this are the most promising. When looking at the whole body of stem cell research, there have been no successes and oh so many tumors caused by embryonic cells. The only successes have been from adult stem cells. And those have been truly amazing cures. I would hypothesize that it is because adult stem cells are more stable and if they are coming from one's own body, there is no reason for the body to reject them. What I wish for is for someone to see that and start directing vaccination in that direction. If there is way to make a vaccine "just for you" by using one's own stem cells, then perhaps it would be possible to vaccinate without the immune damage we suspect is happening.
  11. ChristineKleiber

    ChristineKleiber New Member

    So very true. It is so hard to determine what the effect is going to be on your child. No one wants to be that rare case of reaction to them. I don't know that abandoning all vaccines is the answer, but I would certainly want to improve the quality of them - removing fetal tissues, eliminating preservatives, etc. But it would also be incredibly fantastic if we had more effective newborn screening - not just for ASD, per se - but for the underlying organic issues that can set a neonate up for problems. What if we could test them for leaky gut then and use that to make informed decisions about how we nourish, vaccinate, etc.? Sure no mom is going to want to hear their newborn isn't perfect, but if she hears that her newborn is at high risk for developing an ASD, so we should adopt this plan of - x diet for mom, breast feeding for baby, and delayed vaccination (sensitive to season of birth since some disease is more prevalent in winter). Wow! wouldn't it be great to have a pediatrician that locked on?
  12. IceBarbie

    IceBarbie New Member

    (NaturalNews) There is only one kind of immunity and that is natural immunity which is achieved by battling the infectious diseases itself. Vaccination is merely the artificial triggering of temporary responses to manmade pathogens. Vaccines are both harmful and dangerous and are leading to generations of humans with no natural defenses to disease.

    Vaccines do not provide long-term immunity; only temporary at best. In vaccines, an antigen is injected into the body to produce a reaction and the immune system responds in the form of antibodies, but antibody presence does not confer immunity. People still catch the diseases that they are vaccinated against. Vaccines actually skip the normal immune responses to activate killer cells which can trigger an overproduction of cytokines in response to the toxic vaccine adjuvants and can damage tissues and organs and even stop the heart and block air pathways.

    Vaccines should never be called immunizations because that is a misnomer. Immunity and vaccinations are two different subjects altogether. In fact, breast milk is so potent with immune energizing effects in the infant that researchers at the CDC recommend women withhold breastfeeding their children in order to boost the "effectiveness" of childhood vaccines. The paper claims that women should stop breastfeeding long enough for the man-made poison to work on artificial/temporary "immunity."

    There is no such thing as a "side effect"

    After-effects of vaccines are only followed for a very short time. Effects that are not seen for 30 years will not even be associated with the vaccine. Immunizations are contributing to the lowering of immunity along with the spread of auto-immune diseases such as arthritis and even AIDS throughout the world. Research clearly shows that aluminum mixed into vaccines carries a risk for autoimmunity, long-term brain inflammation, and subsequent neurological complications and may have profound and widespread adverse health complications. Many vaccines contain both aluminum and trace amounts of mercury. When you mix these 2 metals together it causes Extreme Synergistic Toxicity.

    The facts:

    As vaccinated disease rates go down (but not necessarily as a result of toxic vaccinations), the rate of chronic disease goes up in lock-step. Vaccines, as they are commonly given, destroy the natural immunity process and accelerate the auto-immune disease process.

    Deaths from measles in 1900 were 13 per 100,000 people. In 1948: less than one. Measles vaccines introduced in 1963 but took full credit for what they never did - eliminate measles. Japanese health authorities realized that early inoculations were causing crib deaths so they postponed them until the 24th month and SIDS virtually disappeared along with whooping cough (pertussis) during the first two years of babies' lives. Instead of preventing whooping cough the DPT promotes it as well as SIDS. Reuters recently reports that according to the CDC, the number of pertussis cases is growing - in the fully vaccinated population!

    The recent Bachmair vaccine study reveals that the allergy rate in vaccinated children is more than double the rate in unvaccinated ones. Vaccinated children are also nearly eight times more prone to develop asthma or chronic bronchitis than unvaccinated. Furthermore, vaccinated kiddos suffer from more neurodermatitis, herpes, otitis media, hay fever, hyperactivity, scoliosis, epilepsy and seizures, migraine headaches, thyroid disease, and SIDS than unvaccinated children. Vaccinated kids historically also have more measles than unvaccinated kids

    Doctor after doctor will tell you that vaccinations have reduced the incidence of many infectious diseases but they have no real proof. In fact, all the epidemical evidence shows that disease rates rise after vaccines - in the vaccinated population. Should we trust them just on their word? Make an informed decision about you and your child's health.

    Sources for this article include:


    Tomljenovic L and Shaw CA. Aluminum vaccine adjuvants: Are they Safe? Current Medicinal Chemistry. 2011; 18: 2630-2637.


    About the author:

    Craig Stellpflug is a Cancer Nutrition Specialist, Lifestyle Coach and Neuro Development Consultant at Healing Pathways Medical Clinic, Scottsdale, AZ. With 17 years of clinical experience working with both brain disorders and cancer, Craig has seen first-hand the devastating effects of vaccines and pharmaceuticals on the human body and has come to the conclusion that a natural lifestyle and natural remedies are the true answers to health and vibrant living. You can find his daily health blog at www.blog.realhealthtalk.com and his articles and radio show archives at www.realhealthtalk.com

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035871_vaccination_immunization_myths.html#ixzz1uxUYWjP7
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  13. IceBarbie

    IceBarbie New Member

  14. René Borg

    René Borg New Member

    I haven't yet vaccinated our son (he's just past 8 months) but I am under some pressure to at least discuss the options from my wife's side as she fears the social and governmental implications of not adhering to the schedule. I have done my best to read the relevant books, following this thread and Jack's epic commentary on vaccines on Facebook and accumulating a list of questions for the GP, so I can go down and explain which vaccines I don't see risk-benefit working out for and which I would consider but have concerns about the ingredients. I don't know how this conversation will go but I won't start him on the schedule until I feel we have had a conversation leading to satisfying answers. Currently he's super-healthy and happy child - very robust and I would hate to be the one 'doing' something to change that. I looked back at my own vaccination schedule and I received less than 10 times the vaccinations in the official Irish schedule!

    Any advice on how such conversations have gone for you are welcome. We had similar discussions around child-birth where informing ourselves and standing our ground helped us avoid most common interventions so that he had an almost perfect birth. I'd like to apply the same principles here. The most grating thing is that people consider you conspiratorial because I refuse you to trust any authority point blank whereas I see this as the only sensible position given what history teaches us.
  15. Terminator

    Terminator New Member

    I stopped vaccination of my daughters at least 5 years ago. While on the poisons, they were sick very many times and had to go to emergency room a few times. Instead, I started Sun exposure, cleaner EMF environment, even when they got attacked by some kind of virus, they recovered without medications of any kind !
  16. Coreena

    Coreena Guest

    Smart Mommy. I delayed mine, but not until he was 12 months, and I didn't delay them enough. He has had symptoms of autism starting back at the 20 month mark. He was born via C-Section as well. So many things I wished I had known back then.....!!!! Canadians vaccine homeopathically. I've heard of many American parents taking their kids over the border to get vaccinated. Scary, but not surprising, thing is - pediatricians in the country know about it! And it's a viable option here too, but obviously harder to find a doc that offers it. I wish I would have done that, or at the very least waiting til he was at least 2 years old, then only 1 vaccine every 3 months and NO vaccine shot combos.

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