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Discussion in 'The Epi-Paleo Diet' started by Technosmith, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Damn, this thread got close to some science but crashed down food porn alley.
     
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  2. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

    I remember watching the full programme when it came out, and was interested in the better longevity of children conceived in the wet season (when the diet included more greens) compared to those conceived in the dry season. I have only found a small part of the programme on youtube, but its an interesting slant on seasonal green veg ....
     
  3. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    The slant is on an equatorial story of how water and sunlight build the battery of life that runs our most critical programs. Wet season = more water and more light buried in fruits and vegetables via photosynthesis. In other words this is when more light energy is buried in foods and that light is the key to turning on or off the epigenetic programs in us. Deep lesson here about light. Life always results from a spark of light to make an electric plasma in a zygote. This is why food has a massive effect early in life and the effect diminishes with time when cells lose their ability to be multipotent. It also points out why young RBC's can slow aging compared to older RBC's (coming CPC blog). https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=207&v=bzX78PDF1sg
     
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  4. Billybats

    Billybats New Member

    That makes total sense to me, but to translate what I am thinking..haha see next sentences..lol. Is it because when your young you spend more time outside too, maybe not. I see what your saying, would it be like a young one would only need a cup of berries (just example) but and at my age 53 I would need a bowl. That is probably why we need nutrient dense food in general not just for optimal health along with the environment all screwed up.
     
  5. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

    At a latitude with a very long wet season :rolleyes:, and lower light levels, and greens of some sort abundant for most of the year ...... I was thinking of http://jcs.biologists.org/content/127/2/388.long. If the magnesium from chlorophyll drops off in the stomach acid, perhaps the naturally lower light levels would still give enough of the right frequencies directed at tissues that have accumulated what's left, and could be a source of generating ATP...?
     
  6. Jan Christer

    Jan Christer New Member

    Good question, but just by observation, in almost all cultures on the earth vegetables or plants in some form are the main portion of food for people, and probably always has been. And often populations eating the most vegetables are found to be the most healthy, and live longest.
     
  7. drezy

    drezy New Member

    FYI as a running experiment for the last 10 years my diet has been very significantly biased toward animal (and now seafood) protein. We're talking half a head of cabbage, a few garlic cloves, and half an onion a week tops.

    I've been down for the count ill once in the last 10 years and mildly ill (headaches/tummy troubles) twice in the same ten years. My biggest problem in the workplace was having to always pick up for regularly ill coworkers.

    I'm the cook in the house and my own wife's health/inllness frequency is very similar to mine.

    I know you're trying to develop an understanding of diet in reference to the Okinawans. I just wanted to give you my own 2 cents.
     
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  8. Jan Christer

    Jan Christer New Member

    Thank you for your reply. That's good to hear that you have experienced better health this way, and would be curious what your diet consists of, if you share that somewhere.
    I'm very open to this approach as well, and to apply it to my own condition (CFS), I just want to be cautious, since there is so much data out there speaking for vegetables in the diet in general.
     
  9. drezy

    drezy New Member

    I only eat baby seals.

    Just kidding.

    Fatty pork has been a large part of my diet the last 1o years. I'm also particular and cooked most of the foods I eat from scratch so maybe I was able to source higher quality meats. I'd say fatty pork 50%, beef 30%, seafood 20%mover the years.

    Now I'm running fatty pork 40%, seafood 40%, beef 20%.

    Do this exact google search and read a bunch:
    Code:
    cfs site:www.jackkruse.com
     
  10. Jan Christer

    Jan Christer New Member

    Thank you for this information, lots to read from this search!
    One advice is to eat electron-rich foods.
    Is there a list somewhere of electron content of foods?
     
  11. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Ground your ass for electrons

    Eat and drink for lower deuterium content.
     
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  12. Earth Monkey

    Earth Monkey Photo at a blue party, pre-blueblockers

    Do you or anyone know if there are many others here who only eat meat (animal flesh, fat, organs, etc) Drezy? I've only been eating this way since Christmas but I'm experiencing improvements in may health issues. I'd also like to know if Dr Kruse thinks there's any reason not to practice a Carnivore WOE. I thought I saw him say somewhere that his Daughter eats this way...
     
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  13. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Well, I am pretty much carnivore all year round, adding some salad and berries etc. in the summer months. I have lived like this for many years and I love it :) Just feels so natural to only eat animal food most part of the year living in north Germany when sun is sparse. I enjoy the darkness very much when it is here :)
     
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  14. drezy

    drezy New Member

    ^^^ Inger does!

    I'm glad that you've been experiencing improvements. It's exciting to start uncovering how vital you were supposed to be.

    My wife does this and my son (a little looser since he's just a kid). It works as a good contrast for my boy when once or twice a month he has some pizza or burger with a bun and can feel the difference right away. It just doesn't burn as clean. Unfortunately for me this translates to fartiness so I keep a limit on it. I've been doing it the longest but my sons transition is the most telling. When he was 2 a large portion of his diet was up to my parents. We live near "the allergy capitol of the US" and my son had pretty severe allergies. Now that he's epi-paleo nothing really bothers him anymore. My dad warns us of the pollen count regularly, but is amazed that it just doesn't matter anymore for my boy. I think it's a deuterium story.

    Also I had a coworker with a decades long issue with constipation. I kept sending him paleo food porn pictures until he finally gave in and tried dropping the carbs. Three weeks in he was right as rain.
     
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  15. WalterNL

    WalterNL New Member

    That's true. But are they healthy because of that, or regardless of that. Such research ignores pretty much 99% of their lifestyle and zeroes in on foods. When talking specifically about vegetables, they represent a form of culture. Vegetables and fruits are simply available to humans, and humans like to try a lot (food industry knows this all too well). So perhaps without really needing it, it just becomes an expression of culture, trying things with your group that are only available to your group. Even if in theory a human could survive on sun/grounding, water and fish, that would be a boring life. Vegetables are available and can make most meals better when prepared properly as cultures always find out through many generations.

    Apart form that, I think the food perspective is not that important, and the western food perspective is plain nuts where we see food as a sum of nutrients that can be engineered however we like.
     
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  16. Technosmith

    Technosmith New Member

    I was thinking similar. Wonder if anyone knows Jack's take on a carnivorous diet?

    Are many on this forum eating minimal to zero plant foods then? When eating an Epi-Paleo ketogenic diet, is there really much benefit to adding in any plant foods that could easily take you out of ketosis.

    There is also the deuterium content to consider.
     
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  17. Jan Christer

    Jan Christer New Member

    Yes, it's possible that vegetables mainly represent a form of culture, and are eaten because they are available.

    But also vegetables supply many essential vitamins, minerals and phytonutrients for the human body that are not available from animal-based foods.

    So, nutrition-wise, it seems that they complement each other.

    It would be very interesting to see how animal-only diets would affect longevity and health in populations, compared to mixed diets.
     
  18. drezy

    drezy New Member

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  19. Earth Monkey

    Earth Monkey Photo at a blue party, pre-blueblockers

    Thanks, great to know there's at least a few carnivores here and that it's not incompatible with being a mitochondriac (I'm assuming, as there are a few forum veterans among you). Joining 4 carnivore/ZC Facebook groups admined by better known veterans when I started transitioning to this WOE and participating in World Carnivore Month in January really helped with learning what transitional symptoms to expect (fatigue, mmuscle cramps, etc), how to minimise or avoid them, and which ones to persevere through as they're oonly a temporary part of the process, which prevented me giving up early :)
     
  20. drezy

    drezy New Member

    FWIW I may have eased in way back. I had charlie horse/ muscle cramps once for a couple days way back.

    Also now that I'm learning here I'll sometimes (once a month maybe) throw caution to the wind during UV 9+ days in the sun and eat whatever like mashed cauliflower with bacon and bacon grease thrown in or a stir fry.
     
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