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Discussion in 'Redox Rx' started by Jack Kruse, Mar 1, 2019.

  1. Tom Stern

    Tom Stern New Member


  2. Dooney

    Dooney New Member

    I intend to purchase a red light panel...have read here about EMR Tek, Mitogen, and recently Midwest. So, for those of you who have done the research and/or purchased any or all of these product lines, what advice can you give me? Jack recently mentioned MIdwest, so wondering if that's a current favorite, and if so, why? I also thought I heard him say? (on a Q&A) that he had a recent issue with the light turning off suddenly for no explicable reason on an EMR Tek unit. Finally, question--when the bulh(s) burn out, do you have to buy another unit or are they replacable? Any help to make an educated purchase is appreciated.
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  3. Tobias Fischer

    Tobias Fischer New Member

    I remember a part where jack said that overuse of a Joovv or the like, basically red light therapy, can damage tissue. Does anyone have Info on that?
  4. look up the biphasic dose response.
  5. not seen any evidence for that.
  6. Sajid Mahmood

    Sajid Mahmood Silver

    When using red light therapy at 830nm and 850nm, would an irradiance of 5 mW/m² to 10 mW/m² be enough to irradiate the brain, heart, lungs, and all the other organs?
  7. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    "#6 The Truth about Joovv Red Light Therapy."

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    "Green Series - NIR spectral radiant power equivalent to "325 - 575 watt" advertised R/NIR panel.
    Ultra-compact: face-melting 22-39x NIR spectral radiosity of greenhouse-style panels
    White Series - NIR spectral radiant power equivalent to "650 - 1000 watt" advertised R/NIR panel.
    Ultra-compact: face-melting 44-78x NIR spectral radiosity of greenhouse-style panels
    Black Series - NIR spectral radiant power equivalent to "940 - 1450 watt" advertised R/NIR panel.
    Ultra-compact: face-melting 71-125x NIR spectral radiosity of greenhouse-style panels
    • Pure 850nm LEDs.
    • No inexpensive, low-penetration, visible red LEDs.
    • Ultra-rugged - 3 year warranty against defects or LED failure
    • Power supply in hermetically sealed aluminum enclosure, separated from device by 10 ft cable (>>1000x lower magnetic fields compared to standard panels, best in class)"
  8. Dennis Clark

    Dennis Clark Dr. Dennis Clark

    @Josh (Paleo Osteo) Hi, Josh (and others). Somehow I ended up on this thread when looking for information on LLLT and hearing loss. (E.g., https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6694351/#CR86) Even though it didn't mention that particular topic on the MitoGenHealth site, what looks very interesting to me there is the list of benefits that includes "enhance collagen synthesis and repair" - maybe related to "boost testosterone levels," too. Although these may impact someone like Alex Smith, do you have any comment about potential effects on the aging nemesis called crepey skin? (Super thin, mostly on forearms, easy to bruise and slice open.) It seems as though my 'old man skin' might benefit from PBM, since other items on the MitoGenHealth list include aspects of skin health (also found a 'starter' review on this aspect at https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4126803/). If you think I'm on the right track, I'll keep digging into this topic. Thanks!
  9. A note on "aging nemesis called crepey skin" - Nutritional - The basic building blocks

    The basic building blocks start with fatty acids, specifically DHA; every human cell requires it. When it is sparse, we loss cognitive function as well. Proteins also require DHA for it phospholipid bilayer membrane; thus cold water “sea food”. Minerals are use with fatty acids and proteins to build every human cell; thus Dr. Jack Kruse recommends oysters. Enzymes are required in most molecular transformation; these are provided by plants; thus "sea weed". Nutrition void of these basic building blocks causes the human organism to “create” an alternative pathway for building these essential elements; this leads to dysfunction.
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  10. Dennis Clark

    Dennis Clark Dr. Dennis Clark

    Thanks for the refresher, John. The more I read here - and on Jack's blogs - the more I learn about the necessary ingredients for being optimal. Since I discovered Jack Kruse in 2015, I've added substantially more seafood to my diet. (My favorite is ahi tuna and sockeye salmon steaks, or raw in poke salads). Oysters more than ever. Rarely a day goes by without something from the sea. One thing I haven't added is seaweed. I'll be doing that soon. Also added lots of sunshine, starting a few minutes first thing in the morning, often an hour or so in the middle of the day, and ending up in late afternoon sunshine on the back patio for 30-60 minutes. CT so far only in winter, although I'm looking into what I can to to get that chiller I mentioned on the CT chamber experiment thread.

    The light environment is the foundation of optimal, which is why this thread about red light therapy caught my attention. I've learned a bit from pain specialists (mostly naturopaths) who have phenomenal success with lasers of different colors. Josh's products go deeper, actually into tissue repair. At the moment, I'm most interested in red light therapy for skin health. I already have a lot of the ingredients for good collagen, etc.. I'm sure I could do more in this regard.

    All that said, I've come to grasp the concept of context. Adding ingredients to my health recipe is only part of the answer. The context of how my body uses them determines where they go and what they do when they get there. (Case in point: taking calcium supplements for bone health is irrelevant - and even harmful - when calcium metabolism isn't working well. Lots to that story, as I'm sure you already know.) As we both know, living a blue-lit, circadian mismatch lifestyle will undermine everything else we do.

    My context is that my body is not assimilating electrons and light information as well as it could. I'm with you about a previous comment you've made regarding how we use waveforms. Quantum biology is a whole new ballgame for me. The more I understand about it, the better I can deduce what my most effective biohacks can be. Thus, long-windedly, my intrest in red light/photobiomodulation therapy.
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  11. As you know, without measurements -> we are clueless. So what are the levels (in both states) are your hormones: Vitamin D3, Testosterone, and Melatonin? The two states are measured in circulation and metabolites, blood serum analysis and dried urine analysis, respectively.
    When you apply a protocol, the question is what happen after the therapeutic window has expired. Did this values move in the direction expected.

    Note: Women replace testosterone with estrogen & progesterone, which need to be daily measured over your cycle. Once “base line” is established, then the second measurement must also cover the full cycle period.
    Women are so much more beautifully complex than "stupid" men.
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2020
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  12. caroline

    caroline New Member

    now John ....I love you back....
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  13. That is extremely typical of long term corticosteroid use or elevated cortisol generally.
    If such low hanging fruit is ruled out, make sure you have the adequate amino acids and vitamin C to make collagen and shine on.
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  14. Dennis Clark

    Dennis Clark Dr. Dennis Clark

    Thanks, Josh. I did use progesterone cream for a couple of years a while back. Mostly on my arms...maybe a connection to thinning there now. Now I'm digging into what I can do for stimulating collagen synthesis, so I'm glad you mentioned it. Will have to get a cortisol test to see where I stand, although I think it's okay. One nugget that Jack provided along these lines: "....look into dry brushing of your skin with a google search......you can thank me later. It increases blood flow and progesterone levels locally." (https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/thin-or-bad-skin.4878/).

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  15. crix

    crix New Member

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  16. Dennis Clark

    Dennis Clark Dr. Dennis Clark

    Fabulous resource, crix. Many thanks.
  17. I am trying to get a red light device for my wife to treat her macular problems (dry AMD.) Will mitogen or EMR-TEK help? If EMR-TEK, which of the three devices available there?
    @Josh (Paleo Osteo) - is shipping to the US currently possible?
    Thank you!
  18. caroline

    caroline New Member

    I have been using the mitogen for three months and it didn't help my eyes. Jack said it wouldn't be strong enuf.

    It is a great panel - just not strong enuf to help eyes.
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  19. Hi, I have both panels and Mitogen is too weak. This EMR panel is much better: https://emr-tek.com/collections/red-light-therapy/products/firestorm I think I would have bought 2-6 Firestorm and put these together into one larger panel.

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