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The iodine Thread!!!

Discussion in 'The New Monster Thread' started by August, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. Pebbles

    Pebbles Gold

    Carotenoid/Vit A - I have real fish liver min 5x/week
    Pregnenolone is micronised:))
    I know Pregnenolone is the other arm of hormones, not affecting DHEA. Was just thinking whether to take DHEA as well or not yet, wait with the stabilisation of Pregnenolone..
    Pregnenolone I take 100mg at the moment, if progesterone gets too high, estro to low, I get angina - so this is my sign of dosage. End of March live for a tropical light harvest, end of April when I am back I will have labs again - or may be will wait about 1 month, since surely tropical sun will help in my hormone picture, so I will not have the right, clear picture. Right or wrong thought?
     
  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    I have heard that taking a lots of vit A may be counter productive.
    I take Now 25000iu each pill..
    I take one of those gel pills every 4th day.
    I use Spectracell Micronutrient analysis for many years, and this is the dose I came up with.
    ===================
    They make preg-MLM 100mg
    I think that you may end up with many many many pills.
    In first phase I ended up eating 900mg/day (that was 6 of 150mg pills/day).
    On next purchase consider buying the biggest pills.

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    Consider using max sun now, so your skin is ready for the tropics.

    //////

    To get deeper tan, over summer time I use 0.5mg/week Melanotan II, (MT-2).
    Overall, over the summer I use about 30mg.

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    .
     
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  3. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    [ quote="Pebbles, post: 190976, member: 11441"]Carotenoid/Vit A -
    I have real fish liver min 5x/week
    ===================

    That is a lot of EPA.

    Consider doing detailed fatty acids analysis.

    ..
     
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  4. Pebbles

    Pebbles Gold

    Jan Thanks! Unfortunately I do not have any possibility to check fatty acid balance :(( Even not in private full paid labs. I never eat the oil from canned sea beasts, only the beast itself, whatever it would be. Prefer to take them in brine.
     
  5. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @Pebbles

    I would like to come back to P/E ratio, or rather P/E2 ratio.

    Dr Kruse mentioned that in the past, but without any detailed description of what it is.
    In this post
    https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/pg-e2-ratio.6427/#post-81508
    I wrote:
    Dr Kruse is recomending P/E up to 500 (and also reminds you how nicely hydrated were you in second half of pregnancy) to give perspective of safety of this ratio.
    Dr Lam is recomending 200
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    I think, it is likely good idea to not use P/E2 ratio in your evaluations
    unless
    you will be testing at ZRT laboratory,
    or at least when laboratory is making P/E2 calculations and provides desirable ranges.
    --------------------
    There is to many variables and questions of what was actually tested in saliva and how, to be able to make valid/useful evaluation starting with P and E2 as given in test report.

    Sometime in the past I said that P/E2 is molar ratio,
    (that would be logical to me), but lets throw this out, and wait, may be someplace there is description made (by each laboratory) that claim their numbers.

    It seems that people who supply saliva testing came out with idea of P/E2.
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    Below:
    Genova Diagnostics----> P/E2 Ratio (29-192) (hormonal results given in pmol/L)
    ZRT Laboratory---------> P/E2 Ratio Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/mL


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    Genova Diagnostics Menopause - Salivary Profile
    https://www.gdx.net/core/sample-reports/Menopause-Sample-Report.pdf

    ZRT Laboratory
    Saliva, blood spot, dried urine, Reference ranges
    http://www.zrtlab.com/resources-and-data/reference-ranges
    Sample Test Reports
    http://www.zrtlab.com/resources-and-data/sample-test-reports

    Estradiol (saliva) 5.4 H pg/mL 1.3-3.3 Premenopausal (Luteal)
    Progesterone (saliva) 70 L pg/mL 75-270 Premenopausal (Luteal)
    Ratio: Pg/E2 (saliva) 13 L Optimal: 100-500 when E2 1.3-3.3 pg/mL
    ==========================================================================

    I prefer blood testing.
    But even that may create unforseen problems.
    Estradiol tests are finicky.
    Vary from one laboratory to the other.
    Vary from one type of estradiol test to the other.
    Each laboratory usually have variety of tests that claim to test estradiol,
    if you would test the same blood sample, using those tests you would get wide range of results.

    Best defense so far.
    Figure out which laboratory have your favorite test for E2.
    Find out long detailed description of that test.
    Ask your doctor to write the long name of that test on your script.
    Do all your testing at that laboratory.
    Double check, to make sure that you got what you paid for.

    In my case it is
    LabCorp
    17 ------- Estradiol, Sensitive Test Number: 140244 CPT Code: 82670

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    Last edited: Mar 24, 2016
  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Remember that in the brain there is 100 of AA(Arachidonic Acid) for each one DHA.
    Remember that fish or fish oils contain extreme amounts of EPA.
    Remember that EPA and DHA suppress Omega6, specially AA, but not the other way around.
    Some laboratories (Genova Diagnostics), do not list upper desirable range for EPA & DHA,
    so they can always claim their deficiency.

    I test my fatty acids for almost last 10 years.
    Obviously I have eaten lots of fish and krill oils.
    So was expecting big changes when I stopped them, just ate seafood, nothing significant happened.

    Currently I eat minimal amounts of seafood.
    Currently I supplement with AA.
    Last test indicated moves in desired direction.

    All above does not constitute any suggestions,
    specially when not testing actual fatty acids levels.


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  7. Lilaki

    Lilaki New Member

    Some years ago I was told I was borderline hypothyroid by Dr. My only symptom seems to be my hair had bad quality: rough and dry and thinning. Recently I started taking one pill of iodoral on the weekdays. After a couple weeks I became over sensitive to heat and the sides of my neck hurt and my eyes felt funny amd then my mense went on for three weeks (still little bleeding today)... normally they last about a week once a month. Since stopping the iodoral I feel much better. Maybe the dose was too high for me or I needed to be taking it with selenium. Sometimes people say online if you move from hypo to hyper maybe you have Hashimoto.

    Aloso in a Month and a half I’m going on vacation for three weeks and I hope my mense will not last three weeks to meet a long distance love. I am almost tempted to take that low-dose progesterone pill that delays mense. For weddings and vacations But I’ve read mixed things on whether progesterone will help when it involves the thyroid and hormones. I’ve seen some people in general do fine on short-term progesterone but also sone who said it made them honey irritable and bad bleeding and cramps later.

    What do you guys think? Thanks.
     
  8. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Remember that you need balance of many micronutrients and hormones.
    So you not only may be low on selenium but also others.
    Idoral is good supplementation but Lugols is same and much less expensive.
    Since I started using DDW I note big changes.
    One of the changes is need for much more selenium.
    Overall
    I still think that my favorite Spectracell & DUTCH tests are the way to go.

    Thyroid's need for iodine is taking headlines, (unjustly).
    Body's, specially women's body, need is
    thyroid---50
    rest of the body--1500

    ……………………………
    P/E progesterone/estrogens ratio is highly important.
    Not only to for menstruation but as a cancer prevention.
    When you hear about P/E 500 as being a good goal,
    it is on saliva (but not) blood tests.

    ZRT test of this and other types can be purchased via amazon.com

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  9. Stephen W

    Stephen W Silver

    Sorry for pumping up an old thread.

    So, my body temp seems too low and my docs will not give me a full thyroid test panel done (TSH is good so they don’t want to know anymore. Tried twice) so I’ve decided to go with Dr Brownstein/ @Grizz iodine protocol to see what I can do.
    Now, I’m confused a little because back at page 54 or something of this thread @Jack Kruse put Grizz in his place saying he’s completely wrong to supplement iodine and the co supplements, yet I see in a different thread Jack says this to a member...

    I would preload with dietary Se for 7-10 days then use 5% lugols solution from Amazon on a rotation schedule as Grizz posted in our Iodine thread here on the site. Then I would also consider Mg, Zn, and Fe........in food form. Best food to do all this.......Oysters”

    So I’m confused @Jack Kruse ? Maybe you’ve changed your perspective between posts.
    I’ve decided to take iodine with all co supplements but also eat a can of sardines or mussels at EXACTLY the same time. Would this be at least somewhat more beneficial if supplementing? @Jack Kruse ?
    Thanks
     
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  10. Emma C

    Emma C Titanium

    Shijin13, I see you are a guest on here, but based on the thread seems like you have a blog. I'd love to connect, as we go to the same dentist and I'd love to hear how your story progressed (as this was posted 6 years ago!) and Jack called you smart ;) We, too, are doing ALF for our kiddos and would love to hear how things are working out for you.

    If you are not on here now, is there anyone else here that knows how I can connect with her?

    Thanks team :)

    E
     
  11. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Looking for her I got:
    The specified member cannot be found. Please enter a member's entire name.
    Likely she is not here anymore.
    But old posts do refer to her.
    https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?search/21949246/&q=Shijin13&o=date

    She used to have lots of nice posts.
    There was here (very active) very fat girl. (name escapes me).
    Shijin had interview with her.
    That interview might have been posted on her website.
    On that interview that fat girl drank two gallons of water.
    You could see that water disappearing from a milk gallon jug and then she reaches for the next gallon.
    I was stunned looking at that. (Thinking of capacity of her bladder.)

    That was before deuterium was discussed by @Jack Kruse , and (therefore) before dr Boros disclosed drinking 0.2-0.25 liter a day.
    I would love to discuss desirable volumes of water consumption having in mind that it brings in high deuterium load.

    ...
     
  12. Emma C

    Emma C Titanium

    Hi JanSz,

    Thanks for looking!

    Yes, this deuterium issues is fascinating! I also listened to a couple interviews with Dr. Boros to help me understand deuterium. I have never drank much water and always been given a hard time for this. I TRY, I swear I do, but am just not thirsty. Well, until night time. I drink a glass or two of water throughout the night, don't know why. But I'm only thirsty when I sleep.
     
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  13. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    My current status of understanding and boundaries on this subject are:
    1.xxx the topic is about maximizing matrix water production
    1. drink as little as possible but not less
    1a. I drink 1.5-2 liters (of DDW-25)(got gradually there)
    2. do not allow urine density to go over 1.035 measured with refractometer ($21.99)
    3. I use this refractometer
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MUBA92X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
    4. dr Boros drinks 0.2-0.25L/day (coffee + DDW) and eats lots of fat (which is almost all that he eats)
    5. to her clients dr Anne Cooper who works for dr Bioros advices to aim at 3 cups=0.71L
    6. dr Q who works for/with dr Boros discussing under-drinking uses expression (my version)(but still pee like a horse)
    reminder, mitochondria cycles thru 3000liters/day
    7. @Jack Kruse advice is to drink lots of water preferably while residing in tropics
    8. excessive drinking of water prevents matrix water production
    ..........
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2019
  14. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Thirst is regulated by
    vasopressin
    ADH
    AntiDiureticHormone

    Someone who know may figure out some reasons for your thirst while sleeping.
    @Jack Kruse

    How are you doing with blood pressure?

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  15. So We can obtain water in our bodies by drinking liquid, eating food with water(my sheep hardly drink water if they arent lactating), maybe by air, and by producing it by burning fat.

    Bacteria need water to live.

    We are made of bacteria


    How much is our thirst dictacted by needs of our microbiome?

    I was wondering why if we can make 3000 l p e r day, why even drink water. Maybe the liquid needs of the biome and mitochondria steered our development in this direction.
     
  16. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Without (being able) to answer that (and most of related) questions.

    What is unusual about (in my view) is,
    that we are told that sick people are sick
    because
    they have excessive heteroplasmy.
    But dr Boros considers himself sick and talks about his problems,
    so hi have excessive heteroplasmy,
    but with that
    he is able to drink so little.

    ................................................
    The whole idea of under-drinking
    rely on individual's ability to pee out normal/usual urine volumes
    while drinking much less (then the amount of produced urine).
    ----

    If healthy person makes, cycles, 3000L/day
    I would think that seriously sick person still cycles at least 1000L/day or 500L/day
    so
    coming up with 1.5L/day of urine still should not be a big problem.

    (And I doubt that is is because he/she have not eat fat that day,
    most, many sick peoples have a fat to spare.)

    Other considerations must be in place.
    Hopefully one day @Jack Kruse will tell us about them.


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    Last edited: May 5, 2019
  17. Sun Disciple

    Sun Disciple AKA Paul...That Call Drop'n Canadian

    context determines JK stance. I would also suggest seaweed and cod for iodine.
     
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  18. Martha Ray

    Martha Ray Martha Ray

    I posted this on a thread about looking for Sea Veggie sources... related to iodine and to hypothyroidism.

    I have been using HEX fermented Sea Kraut from Whole Foods. A 'processed' product from Baltimore, MD (somewhat regional to me).
    https://www.hexferments.com/products/seaweed-kraut
    Version says Sea Kraut but it still has Green Cabbage and Gold Beets as first two ingredients, then, unrefined sea salt, Ginger, Arame, Burdock Root and lastly Red Dulse, Black Laver, Green Sea Lettuce. Would not likely be too high in Sea Veggies but the label shown online has a sticker that reads, "More Seaweed Power" so hopefully they are increasing the 'sea' amount. My clear jars label is black and gold and does not have the, "More Seaweed Power" Here is their PRODUCTS page. https://www.hexferments.com/collections/all

    Farmstead Ferments is a local RAW Ferments company I use... but they do not have sea veggies https://farmsteadferments.com/

    Was a little concerned about eating raw cruciferous veggies or any gritrogens due to my hypothyroidism.
    Many allopatic doctors believe this Dr. Izabella Wentz quote. "Cruciferous vegetables in particular are considered to be “goitrogenic” because they have the potential to block iodine absorption. They contain glucosinolates, which are responsible for this action. Glucosinolates can prevent the absorption of iodine into the thyroid gland when consumed in large quantities." I never ate large quantities watched my level of these foods and except for some slaw I ate them steamed or cooked. But I did notice when I ate more flaxseed my hair loss became very noticeable when I cut flaxseed out my hair loss lessened.
    This ThyroMate article covers Flaxseed and Thyroid.
    https://www.thyromate.com/blog/can-flaxseed-help-thyroid-problems.

    I've been hypothyroid not believed to be Hashimoto's for 14 years and I'd had low iodine for over 22 years. Tested urine and blood. No one neither GP or Endo Doctors cared to treat my low iodine. I was extremely low almost nil and then worked up to 30 eating more fish and then I worked up to <40 serum trying several things--kelp flakes, Wellness Resources iodine drops, Kelp supplements etc.
    But using small doses of these two products took me to 108.6 last year. I was so used to not getting any results I was using both of these when my level went up that hight last year.
    DR. COWAN'S GARDEN SEA-VEGETABLES POWDER -Ingredients: Wild-harvested dulse, wakame, kelp. Nothing else.
    https://www.drcowansgarden.com/coll...oducts/dr-cowans-garden-sea-vegetables-powder
    and
    Activation Products Oceans Alive Raw Phytoplankton
    https://www.activationproducts.com/wellness-mama/oceans-alive/

    I also use some of Dr. Cowan's low Oxalate products.

    All this was before Dr. Jack Kruse influence and now I went to learn about
    Iodine Jack Kruse this The iodine Thread!!! thread came up...and maybe will post at a hypothyroid thread if I find one.

    One other detail that may be a large piece of my puzzle... I believe that there were multiple factors for my becoming hypothyroid... major things were I was rehabbing my knee dance injuries in a florescent lit, glassed in warm Athletic Club therapy pool which was 'salt purified' as a selling point but also had added chlorine and bromide. Of course the water was not purified and had fluoride in it as well. I was soaking daily for 18 months in warm Halogens all competing with my thyroid for iodine. Oh and one of my indulgences a large cup of daily coffee and pastries (plural) for breakfast- more bromide in the pastries. Added to very stressful very blue lit work environment in front of a computer screen 8+ hours a day and 4+ hours of sitting in front of a TV at night. And my further insults to injury, neglect of my spiritual life, self medicating with carbs and sugar, gross inactivity and late nights. I was on a fast track for ill health.
     
    Last edited: Dec 17, 2019
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  19. Martha Ray

    Martha Ray Martha Ray



    Link is not working for me. Is there an update.

    Cleaning out my medicine cabinet and wondering whether to replace my out expired Potassium Iodine(KI) Tablets to have on hand for Emergency use. Reservation about use of these in case of emergency for Adults over 40 as reported by CDC

    "Adults older than 40 years should not take KI (potassium iodide) unless public health or emergency management officials say that contamination with a very large dose of radioactive iodine is expected.

    • Adults older than 40 years have the lowest chance of developing thyroid cancer or thyroid injury after contamination with radioactive iodine.
    • Adults older than 40 are more likely to have allergic reactions to or adverse effects from KI."
    Of course CDC not so up on anything...
    ...but then I go out thinking about thyroid health in general... being hypothyroid and over 60 this clip from a video I have been listening came to mind In Frank Shallenberger, MD, Oxygen, Mitochondria, ATP and Origins of Cancer posted on YouTube Apr 15, 2015

    At 39:20 –
    As with any quotes I share I always suggest you please listen in the full context. “…Anybody here over the age of 60? You have cancer. Ok., I’m not even kidding It’s proven you all have thyroid cancer. Hundred percent of people over the age of 60, autopsies studies show, have thyroid cancer. Interesting…”




     
  20. Lahelada

    Lahelada New Member

    Frank Shallenberger, MD, Oxygen, Mitochondria, ATP and Origins of Cancer posted on YouTube Apr 15, 2015

    At 39:20 –
    As with any quotes I share I always suggest you please listen in the full context. “…Anybody here over the age of 60? You have cancer. Ok., I’m not even kidding It’s proven you all have thyroid cancer. Hundred percent of people over the age of 60, autopsies studies show, have thyroid cancer. Interesting…”

    [/QUOTE]

    yada yada . and then he continues at 40:00 "that does not mean that you will die of cancer it just means that you have cells with precancerous potential.. "

    Shout a scary piece of news and then sort of take it back with a whisper. Not impressed...
     
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