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Take It Slow

Discussion in 'My Optimal Journal' started by yewwei.tan, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    I love Yew like a family member..........I want to see him thrive.
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  2. lilreddgirl

    lilreddgirl New Member

    Yay more love to go around now :)

    RE consumption, Yew says he used to eat what he now considers really high amounts 1000mg DHA a day...I just googled that up and that's just about the amount in only 4 oz of Salmon

    I usually eat that or even way more than that!!!

    I think Dr. K recommended in the past 8oz seafood a day to remain optimal...

    and NeilBB just said he did not eat daily as much seafood as Yew, is that regarding the 1000mg DHA? So how much - or little! - seafood DID you eat?
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  3. bionaut

    bionaut New Member

    Great thread, continue to dig deep in your n=1 everyone. I love to hear each persons perspectives. As someone who has had massive exposure to nnemf for about 6 yrs (not wifi) like some heavy duty power transformers at point blank range. I can say that I have not found a saturation point for seafood consumption. 1g daily for 2/3 of the year has been very beneficial to mitigate stress. When I don't eat it i feel different manifestations of stress, candida rash tiredness or fogginess and weight fluxuations. Even with the environmental change I have made ( moving). Perhaps I will reach a point where it needs to be driven lower. As of now though I feel better eating it and am making incremental gains. So listen to your bodies ppl. :cool:
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  4. lilreddgirl

    lilreddgirl New Member

    1g or 1lb daily ?
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2016
  5. bionaut

    bionaut New Member

    Est 1g dha in seafood per day 5x a week. I would not put a lot of faith into that number though. As we can see there are varying rates of turnover and absorption and the values available in literature are questionable. All i could say is that after paying attention for a few yrs I know what I personally respond to and will adjust as necessary. There are also other cofactors in seafood so, i cannot attribute the stress reduction specifically to dha.
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  6. NeilBB

    NeilBB New Member

    I based that comment on some of the pics of huge seafood meals that Yew used to post here. But I don't count or limit it. I actually eat quite a bit sometimes. I never worry about quantity. There are days I may eat 3 dozen oysters and some shrimp/crab appetizers and then a fish entree too. Other days I may eat several pieces sashimi/sushi plus fish roe. Just depends. Personally, I never worry about getting too much. I always feel good eating seafood.
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  7. Lahelada

    Lahelada New Member

    It is beyond doubt that you care...
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  8. twilightkid

    twilightkid New Member

    Yew, I really appreciate your journal and the bio hacks or research you volunteer to show us. With that being said, I can clearly see Dr Jack's predicament too. I was silently observing the thread and found it perplexing. I think this discussion and the respective point of views shared is why I love this forum and the incredible wealth of knowledge I gain from you guys in much appreciated
  9. nikita

    nikita New Member

    My n=1,
    As i have increased my uv light exposure,my seafood intake has automatically gone down.
    Earlier i felt the need to eat it 5 times a week.
    Now i just eat it a few shellfish 2 times a week and i am doing great.
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  10. Inger

    Inger Silver

    And I live in opposite conditions as do Yew.... and I eat loads of seafood........ raw!

    I bet I get at least 3 grams of DHA / day most days - seafood is my main calorie source! And it comes just naturally, because I love it! I like to eat seafood.. I always did.
    I have yet to experience anything negative from that high a consumption.
    But.... I live in the cold and the dark........... in North Germany - right at the Danish border...

    Some days, once in a while, I will eat mainly meat/organs / saturated fats... because i feel like it. I trust my body and I am pretty intuitive about what I want. When I crave meat I eat meat. Maybe that is my body telling me I got enough DHA. But I eat a lot of it, really a lot
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  11. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Maybe I need all that DHA to harvest all the UV I can get - as it is so scarce / less intense here
    because I am totally addicted to the sun and I am in it every moment I can... preferably nude
    The sun charges me... it is incredible
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  12. Inger

    Inger Silver

    I second this.....
    I will never ever forget how much he cared for me on the cruise and helped me in every possible way......
    He just have a heart of gold :love:
  13. Linz

    Linz Gold

    @yewwei.tan Then with regard to Linz's comment:

    We see some people, including entire populations, who never touch DHA and remain either no more unhealthy than people today, or sometimes even healthier all through their lives.

    Then we have some people who are healthy enough to handle almost any sort of metabolic substrate and diet. While there are failures on Epi-Paleo, there are (supposed) successes too. Danco3636 on this forum is such an example (with the caveat that he has not shown detailed tracking results like JanSz does)

    Then, the claim of blue light's effect on DHA is completely overblown. I list all the mechanisms in my blog post (http://tanyewwei.com/blog/dha/)

    The direct effect of light on DHA is definitely seen in the eye, where light incidence undoubted causes the turn-over of photopigments, as well as potentially the direct breakdown of DHA in the eye. The quantities of DHA involved however, are minuscule (details on my blog).

    When it comes to brain DHA, this is not a direct blue light effect, in the sense that light isn't going up into your brain and frying all the DHA in there. If it did, everyone would be dead :whistle:. ie: There is very tight regulation of the components of the brain, including of the 3-5 grams of DHA that are in the brain. (details of DHA brain content on my blog)

    What we see with blue light is a systemic dys-regulation of regulatory systems that control many systems involved in keeping good health. This is not a "DHA effect". What systems fail in a particular person depends on their stress tolerance towards the Blue Light stressor.

    Blue light is undoubted a stressor, but the susceptibility of different people to that stressor is going to vary, and as such, the health quotient of all these blue-light exposed people are going to vary. Some will see healthy sleep patterns fail, some will see eyesight fail, some will see immune system failures, etc ..... and some will see no failures at all ;)

    Again, this is not a DHA problem, and adding more DHA is not a solution. In fact, I detail on my blog as to why more PUFA, DHA included, is a stressor rather than a solution.


    Thanks Yew, interesting blog post.

    My interpretation is that 'systemic dys-regulation of regulatory systems' is a circadian problem (of which blue light is part). I agree, not so much a ' DHA effect' but DHA and all the other proper PUFAS will be put in the right place if the environment is right. Exogenous PUFAS must be the right ones for the season/temp/light conditions and only in the form nature intended. Extra DHA required when turnover is increased for any reason.

    I live in an entirely different environment from you - wet, cloudy, uv deficient UK with rickets re-surfacing in children, teenagers - living on PUFA/fructose and IT gadgets - being blamed for liver damage due to drinking too much alcohol, and summer plants flowering at Christmas - so I can't add anything to your carb/sugar experiences. I'm sure I need far more oily fish than you but I don't overdo it, eating white fish, shellfish and crustaceans more frequently. In this environment (plus gut issues) I have to be very careful with sugar and PUFAS outside the way nature intended.

    Have you considered the nitrogen problem (ubiquitination 12 ) when reducing seafood intake? Perhaps we are concentrating too hard on the DHA aspect of epi-paleo?

    @JanSz I think the PUFAS will distribute themselves in the right place if the environment is right so long as the right ones are supplied and the wrong ones avoided (but you already said this above before I read it).
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2016
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  14. Brother John

    Brother John Silver

    Yes, This! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Thanks, Brother John
  15. Brother John

    Brother John Silver

    Yes! This!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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  16. Brother John

    Brother John Silver

    Josh, you are speaking my thoughts too, and very clearly! I do not understand why Jack will not consider the possibility of overdosing of DHA. My own experience of eating a huge amount from primarily oysters and sushi resulted in extreme fatigue and greatly diminished motor function. I was losing the ability to Walk... and was in extreme pain, constantly.
    I eliminated seafood and the symptoms all went away over a 2 plus month time period. When I did my own n1 bio hack with DHA with the following questions in mind: Would massive amounts of DHA help? Or harm? At first I felt really Better... for several months. ( That does not mean that I have any absolute proof that Dha helped... but pretty logical to say seafood did. Then I leveled out (no more gains) and then Health declined so again I cannot say for certain that DHA was the culprit or something else in seafood BUT the research data shared by Yew and others sure points a finger at DHA. I believe as Yew does that DHA is essential but that too much, (and that's gonna be different for different individuals) is BAD.
    Brother John
  17. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Jack does have said that in some conditions too much DHA might hurt you......

    You see... how I think is, it is all a symphony.... an orchestra and it needs to be in harmony. We need to take all aspects into count, but we often leave something out. And then we get into issues..... I think so.
    I too believe some need more seafood than others... it is all individual for sure. Jack never said otherwise. At least... that is what I read/understood
    But if we forget to count the other things the picture might get screwed too and we think our issues comes from one thing when they in fact comes from another, you know? and we get into troubles again and again.. and nothing seems to work.. at least not long time.. and we need to change stuff all the time and it is all chaos ;) and we feel lost
    we cant see the light in what direction to head, instead we kinda stumble in the dark.. and the direction changes every so often
    That is why I trust nature and plant my feet in it deeply and do not let me get distracted from opinions, because I know it leads me where I want... into the light

    something primal.. deep in me just knows it
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  18. Joe Gavin

    Joe Gavin Face Everything And Rise

    One tin of Wild Planet Sardines gives you about 1 gram of DHA
  19. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    I missed that. It is easy to miss, so much activity.
    Do you happen to have a link to where he said that.

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  20. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    And how much of EPA?


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