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So Frustrated!

Discussion in 'Educating Doctors' started by Elizabeth G, May 30, 2019.

  1. Elizabeth G

    Elizabeth G New Member

    I found a new interninst that has a concierge practice. In my pre-commitment interview, I shared with him that I followed Jack Kruse and a few other doctors that are practicing more cutting edge medicine. I said I was looking for someone that would be willing to experiment with me and try things that weren't mainstream.

    A couple of days ago, I made my first request to try cholestyramine for neurotoxins (lyme). His response: CSM is for lipid lowering, not appropriate here, and off-label. Undeterred, I provided an explanation with links about it's role in neurotoxin clean-up, obviously an off-label use.

    His reply, he's not willing to risk his prescribing license on using it off-label. Given that this is a BS answer and given that I told him I wanted to work with someone who was willing to try medicine outside of the standard of care, I am angry and frustrated. Gah! #1 - you said you'd be willing to experiment #2 - grow a pair!

    Rant over.
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  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  3. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Try to get name of doctor by contacting


    BodyBio Inc
    Customer Service
    45 Reese Road
    Millville, NJ 08332

    Ph: 888.327.9554 (toll free)
    856.825.8338 (outside the US)
    Email: help@bodybio.com
    Fx: 856.825.2143
  4. Elizabeth G

    Elizabeth G New Member

    I have worked in the pharmaceutical industry for over 25 years. I know exactly how the manipulation occurs and have been part of it. It amazes me that doctors can't see it. I hoped that my selecting someone who was trying to color outside of the lines of the insurance industry, I might get someone who wasn't blinded. <sigh>
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  5. We have had multiple bad experiences with bio identical providers. Maybe its a function of supply and demand: Too many desperate patients for a small number of docs. It really sucks when you pay out of pocket and get horrible service or none at all.
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  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    On the other hand
    I must admit that I blew deal I had with one doc when he decided to go concierge.
    I had experienced him for few years so I knew what to expect of him and it was a lot.
    I still am sore about the way he went about.
    He did not explained to me the (new) situation he was putting me in.
    Additionally when I realised what was going on he have not given me opportunity for correction.

    Say you have a best friend for number of years.
    One day you wake up and he is a dirty pig.
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  7. Elizabeth G

    Elizabeth G New Member

    I like the concierge model this guy uses. He'll take non-HMO insurance. Patient pays the co-pay. Patient pays yearly fee for an improved level of access - cell phone, email, long-distance consults. It's just him and his NP. He keeps the practice to a limited number of patients. Patients get longer no-rush visits.

    But, when I interview you and tell you I want someone who will go "off the ranch" with me and you say yes, don't come back to me after I've paid the concierge fee and tell me you want to practice standard of care medicine. You can't have it both ways. I have a call with him at 3:30p. I'm suspecting I can't bring him to my side of the fence, so I am planning to see if I can get a refund.

    I had tried another concierge guy of the dirty pig variety. He sold patients on the fact that he took insurance and you could see him in the standard way without paying for the concierge upgrade. Every time I tried to schedule an appointment with him, I got shunted to the NP. Finally, I got the front desk to admit he really only sees concierge patients. That's fine, but don't sell me A and then deliver B.

    According to the Diamond Cutter (great book), I must be acting out of integrity somewhere since I seem to be bumping into people who are out of integrity with me. Time for a little self-reflection.

    At work, I get to peek behind the practice of medicine curtain. I see how the pharma industry runs medicine. I see how specialists criticize primary care docs. I see how the standard of care is 10-20 years behind what some people have figured out is effective. It makes me a bad patient for regular doctors.
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  8. lev0phedMD

    lev0phedMD New Member

    In what part of the country are you located
  9. Elizabeth G

    Elizabeth G New Member

    Bucks County, PA. About an hour north of Philly.
  10. lev0phedMD

    lev0phedMD New Member

    Ah, too bad. I am in the Midwest.
  11. Elizabeth G

    Elizabeth G New Member

    Refund being processed. So bummed. Smart guy, but conservative. Oy! We need to convert those people to the light!
  12. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    There's probably little money in the light, and a big potential for losses due to matrix system.
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  13. Alex97232

    Alex97232 Gold

    Yup--me too.

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