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Seafood and viruses

Discussion in 'Factor X' started by MJ*, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned

    The only time I ever got severe food poisoning was from a bag of store-bought beef jerky..... technically cooked. I eat raw veggies all the time pulled from the dirt when working on farms - we don't wash and yes there's manure in the dirt that *we* put there - we use good practices for the manure sourcing but after that.... a bit of dirt and bacteria have only been good for me. I would never use chlorox on my food. My mother never was a clean freak with us kids either... my immune system handles stuff for me now. I know I could get sick... but how much are you increasing your likelihood of getting sick by constantly disinfecting everything and getting no exposure at all?
  2. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    There is something to be said for not making your environment too sterile...and for allowing your immune system to do its good work. I stopped buying antibacterial soap for that reason a few years ago. There are good points being made on both sides of this.
  3. kathylu

    kathylu Gold

    I agree with Soul, I wouldn't use chlorox on my food. I do wash things well though. I used a mild orange oil soap to wash fruits and veggies, then rinse well. I wash meat, chicken and fish too, with just water and then dry it with paper towels before cooking. It reduces the bacteria on surfaces.
  4. nonchalant

    nonchalant Silver

    So our DNA is passively receiving the sequences? Or does our immune system secret them away there?
  5. Ditto on the dirty food - we get from a local farm where I see the farmers and workers and know their practices - same with meat. What scares me is frankenfish!
  6. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    Wait... I'm supposed to the clean the food I get from my garden? yeah I rinse it off... but other than that... I don't bother.. and 1/2 the time I forget to wash the stuff I buy at WFM...

    here's your frankenfish

  7. indigogirl

    indigogirl Silver

    I don't clean food I get from my garden, sometimes rinse with water, sometimes don't . I do rinse meat and fish with water.

    I don't know where my other food is coming from or who has handled it and where their hands have been...even buying from WF.

    I know I am being OCD cloroxing my fruit and veggies :rolleyes: I got really bad food poisioning in Mexico and started doing this religiously when I got home. I never want to go through that again.

    Thanks for being diplomatic MJ!
  8. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned

    indigo I had that reaction to beef jerky for the longest time... just couldn't eat it. I still can't eat bags from the store, they gross me out and smell weird so I make my own now and that's been going well. I know the meat is fresh and I dry is properly and my brain calms down about it. But it's normal after food poisoning, it's how we're supposed to not eat anymore what made us sick once.
  9. indigogirl

    indigogirl Silver

    Thanks, Soul.

    I felt a little beaten up by some of the responses and this was right after the Webinar last night and I was feeling like there was no hope for me b/c of Hashis.
  10. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Hashi's is a tough thing to have........the truth is what you need. If you have it you need to run a tight ship. Tighter than you currently believe because of the light you allowed and not the food you eat.
  11. indigogirl

    indigogirl Silver

    That came home loud and clear last night!

    Haven't been tested for Hashis...actually my allergist told me my thyroid was toast and I had Hashis. My sister has Hashi's. My mother, sister and I are all hypothyroid. Should I be tested for Hashis?
  12. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    yes.........no doubt
  13. kathylu

    kathylu Gold

    Yes to all of that. There are thousands of viruses that are capable of integration into human DNA, many have cleverly made it part of their life cycle. Most, but not all are RNA viruses. Think herpes (DNA) virus that infects, an RNA intermediate integrates into neurons and may lay dormant for many years before being excised and starting viral replication (thus becoming infectious) again. There are thousands of HERV's (human endogenous retroviruses)...they make up roughly 8% of our genome. After integration many viral sequences are made "silent" by host cell processes (methylation, deletional recombination, histone deacetylation, etc), but as Dr. K has pointed out, many sequences have radically modified our epigenetics. HERV sequences can act as promoters and enhancers, turning our genes on and off. They are implicated in multiple forms of cancer and in autoimmune disease.
  14. Glen PDQ

    Glen PDQ New Member

    How likely is it that our gut flora would incorporate the bits of genetic material from the large amount of viruses in seafood? Perhaps the genetic material in seafood is more likely to cause changes in our gut symbionts first.
  15. Marccus

    Marccus New Member

    need not to worry about this thing as still haven't any type of virus been discovered which can cause any type of problem like HIV or cancer, so be happy and enjoy your sea food with awesome taste and date
  16. jackware

    jackware Kama'aina

    Food poisoning caused me a 6lb weight loss in just over 6 hours this weekend. Vomiting and diarrhea constantly for hours. Was no seafood involved. I've narrowed it down to some chicken a guy from work gave me on Friday night or Saturday lunch Chipotle, would have been the carnitas.
  17. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Fowl is foul... or how did Jack use to say ;)
    hope you feel better soon!
  18. jackware

    jackware Kama'aina

    A hard lesson to have to relearn. I'm back on track now!

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