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RED LIGHTS TO CONSIDER: no red Rubylux online

Discussion in 'Biohacking 101' started by shiran, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. shiran

    shiran Curious

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  2. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    You can look into Joov lights, but I would not pull the trigger on them. Somebody gave me one they thought was broken and I hacked it and then kind of modified it a bit to do a hack with a cold vest I am testing.............I think their light panels are fine photonically but they are not cheap and they have a huge flicker problem. I have found a way around this but at their price, to me, it is not worth the hassle. At the Farm well have some PBM/LLLT options that work better for the value.
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  3. WalterNL

    WalterNL New Member

    You can also check out redlightman.com, also not cheap lights, but they are very well constructed and you know what frequencies and power you get.
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  4. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    I have recently ordered this small light https://redlightman.com/product/red-infrared-combo-mini/
    However, I have recently heard that the 760nm frequency has not biological benefits, so we would be "losing" one quarter of the light. I wonder if that is true, it was mentioned by Alex Fergus in one article and by Scott from Joov in various podcasts...
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  5. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    I asked the owner of RLM about this and here is his answer, I forgot to post it...

    "Studies done with 700-800nm range wavelengths show positive effects just like the other wavelengths:


    They also are some of the most well absorbed:


    and is also the most penetrative (goes deeper than the 670/830 ranges):


    So the 700 range reaches deeper cells than any other wavelength, and does have effects (even if less per cell vs the others), making it interesting for muscles, bones, joints, etc. They are less well studied vs the other wavelengths but it is not a scientifically valid statement to conclude they ‘have been found to have limited biochemical activity’." (Joe Gibson, from Red Light Man)
  6. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    We just finished out flicker testing on the light panels and so far they are better than we thought. I have added some voltage sine wave additions to the mix and they are even better. I will tinker with them in the next few weeks before the hard open.
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  7. Andreas Ravndal

    Andreas Ravndal Recovering food guru

    Saw the testing mentioned on the FB live. What kind did you test? Joove?
  8. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Joov failed badly. We're testing Magnetic and electric fields and flicker and the spectrum for mitochondria. Irradiance and density and distance on effect. Right now
  9. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    We're actually testing now and something very unusual happened. We shined the Joov and the new light in a mirror and put a live animal in front of the mirror to see which light the animal chose. So far both the nocturnal and diurnal animal has not chosen the Joov in ten of ten tests.
  10. drezy

    drezy New Member

    I'm not surprised base don the video @brookway17 sent me months ago.

    It's amazing to watch firms pinch a few pennies whilst they piss away their differentiation and potential leadership.
  11. Andreas Ravndal

    Andreas Ravndal Recovering food guru

    Does this new light have a name? Where can it be bought?
  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Wonder why marijuana and other plants are responding well to lights and animals are not?



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  13. My experience with led grow lights has led me to believe the current technology has a long way to go. Leds give off less heat and are good for small areas without a/c or sufficient ventilation but do not penetrate the canopy or produce big crunchy flowers like halides or sodium bulbs. Indoor garden stores are just like GNC supplement stores; they sell shortcuts to health that sound great but seldom deliver.
  14. Penny

    Penny New Member

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  15. Antonis

    Antonis Free diving

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  16. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Very good point. The crops and livestock of humankind are bred and raised according to preternatural criteria.

    Extremely high longevity cattle are not of interest to ranchers.
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  17. Antonis

    Antonis Free diving

    Exactly? They grow but what's the results.?
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  18. Inna

    Inna Platinum

    might have something to do with deuterium accumulation (which is pro-growth),
    that brings up a question whether plants grown under artificial LED / blue light have different properties as compared with plants grown under natural sunlight?
  19. Antonis

    Antonis Free diving

    Remember this counterintuitive lesson of how plants and animals are coupled to the environment. It is via photosynthesis and the connection of chloroplasts to mitochondria. Animals contain "a sea within their cells. That cell water determines what chemistry should happen in their cell membranes.is possible or can happen because of its deuterium content in lipids and in the NADH and NADPH pools that control lignoceric acid/DHA. Plants and vegetables have a different strategy with respect to water and light. Light and water are outside of their cells for the most part, but also inside them around the chloroplast in the form of DDW. This makes them use different physics than animals. Life has a remedy for a lack of energy when it finds a new environmental niche. It is called QED innovation of light and water to make water liquid crystalline.
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