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Red light panels......

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by caroline, Oct 22, 2021.

  1. 5G Canary

    5G Canary Gold

  2. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    Followup about Michael Chapiro's Chroma business that makes an infrared LED panel called the Ironforge...

    In this post

    I mentioned Michael Chapiro's business Chroma:
    " https://chroma.substack.com/p/8-the-complete-solution-to-human

    /\ scroll to "IRONFORGE and REDFORGE (Near-IR and Red)" section

    https://chroma.substack.com/p/6-the-truth-about-joovv-red-light "

    Then a couple posts after that, OptimalSkr asked, "So does this guy actually sell a red light panel? Has he said anything about the EMR tek panels?"

    In this post

    I answered:
    "Most recent thing on https://chroma.substack.com [Michael Chapiro's blog] is:
    'If you have been re-directed here from carbonshade.com or getchroma.co, it is because Shopify has been freezing our accounts and creating a poor customer experience so we will be switching to a more sovereign e-commerce platform that we can control (eventually).

    In the meantime, the stores will stay closed...'"

    I then asked Michael Chapiro how soon the red and infrared LED panels will be available to buy again. This is his answer:

    "month or so for sky portals and glasses; ironforge and d-light will probably be 3-4 months due to manufacturing hiccups where we need to make sure current batch being made has good reliability after being used for at least a month"
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  3. How long do people spend in front of their red light panels daily, and at what distance? Im currently doing 2 mins at 10 inches
  4. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    That is a very good question.
    I am assuming that with the more popular (because of the price and therefore lower energy output), at the close distance, you still think of hours not minutes.
    I am going by example where Jack allowed using his (massive red light) to the father of his employee.
    Guy had broken tibia that had recent knee prosthesis installed.
    I think it started with recommendation of every other day 20 minutes or so, no looking at the light.
    Ended with recommendation of much longer exposure time and (surprising) healing of his macula, because he was looking directly at the light.

    With all this, if you have a cheap (good) red light (say $1000), do not worry much about time.
    By good I mean no flicker.
    I had bad experience with totally cheap red light. 300 watts, no claims about flicker, I think about ($300).
    It was shining on me for many hours daily, from about 2-3 feet distance.
    Burned left side of my forehead.

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  5. Photobiomodulation Therapy also known as Photomedicine is a developing "practice".
    So far we've got a couple of threads on the subject
    Your question you may want to start with maybe - What am I trying to treat?
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  6. wow, he healed his eyes with it? Amazing. Since seeing sunset daily my myopia has stabilised. I used to need a new prescription every two years.

    Im using a large size mitogen. Ive started slow because it was spiking my anxiety with longer exposures. I might ditch it in favour of natural light
  7. Thank you. Im trying to improve my general wellbeing, and if it touches my dizziness condition then that would be a massive bonus.
  8. OptimalSkr

    OptimalSkr New Member

    I use the firestorm and firewave stacked on each other - I do about 20 minutes a day at 15 inches away (as per the emf ranges)
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  9. Vestibular dysfunction is most commonly caused by head injury, aging, and viral infection.
    Treatment of peripheral vestibular dysfunction using photobiomodulation
    Long wavelength red/NIR light, which is typically used in photobiomodulation, enables deeper penetration and less scattering. This means that photobiomodulation can be used to treat deep organs such as those in the inner ear. The inner ear comprises the cochlea (hearing organ) and the vestibular organ (balancing organ), which are located adjacent to one another and form a fluid-filled cavity with a bony wall.​

    A Potential Role for Photobiomodulation (PBM) Therapy in Disease Treatment and Prevention in the Era of COVID-19
    The main target of PBM is considered to be the electron transport chain of the mitochondria, in particular complex IV, cytochrome-C-oxidase, which acts as a chromophore, absorbing red and near infrared light.

    The most effective wavelength for delivery of PBM in immune modulation is likely to be in the red and near-infrared range, based on the cytochrome-C-oxidase and porphyrin absorption peaks being centred at 640 nm and HbO2 at 900nm. The energy required for effective PBM is low, in the range of 1 to 16 joules/cm2.

    The immuno-modulatory effect of PBM on cytokines regulation and the complement cascade occurs via the POMC pathway, involving regulation of the hypothalamic pituitary axis through the direct modulation of the POMC/melanocortin signalling pathway including a-MSH, a potent anti-inflammatory molecule. The POMC pathway is regulated by PBM, which in turn modulates both ACTH and β-opioid, as well as, interestingly, ACE activity

    Reducing over-accumulation of neutrophils is a major mechanism for the effect of PBM in reducing acute lung inflammation. This is crucial in preventing the cytokine storm cascade in autoimmune diseases. PBM also modulates the ratio of M1 and M2 macrophage phenotypes, reducing pro-inflammatory cytokines and chemokines and increasing anti-inflammatory cytokines and thus balance the inflammatory process.

    In immunological cells, PBM induces production of reactive oxygen species, NO or interleukins most often, leading to an anti-inflammatory effect.

    PBM has been shown to restore the balance between pro and antioxidant mediators by reducing pro-inflammatory cytokines (IL-6, TNF-α) and increasing anti-inflammatory cytokines (IL-10).

    What is interest in the use of transcranial PBM to address many symptoms of neurological and neuropsychiatric disorders. Transcranial devices have been shown to modulate neural oscillations, improve cognition in healthy adults, improve cognitive performance of people with TBIs and improve symptoms of depression. We have demonstrated a positive effect of PBM therapy in improvement of cognition scores in individuals with Parkinson’s disease (manuscript in preparation).
    Headaches & Dizziness
    Blurred Vision
    Brain Fog
    Anxiety & Depression
    Red Light Stimulation Applied To The Skull Has Shown:
    Increase Cerebral Blood Flow
    Increase Oxygen Consumption
    Increase Energy Production To The Brain
    Boost ATP Production
    Reduce Inflammation​

    Ok great, so how much does it take to see improvements? -> It depends on how bad off you are and how you respond to the therapy
    But a general idea is "640 nm and HbO2 at 900nm with the energy in the range of 1 to 16 joules/cm2."
    As you can tell from the posts, some individuals are having success with only 20 minutes twice daily.
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  10. wow, thank you for all that info. Ill read through it later. At first glance though I find it interesting that red light reduces neutrophils - I was using red light during my covid infection - and then the hospital took bloods and told me I didnt have enough neutrophils...
  11. They were used up by the infection.
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  12. Muhammad Choudhry

    Muhammad Choudhry New Member

    Hi all

    Dr Kruse recommended 860nm to me to help collagen synthesis for me.
    Is there any harm if I use 1 firestorm which only emits 860nm and 2 firestorms with the standard 630 to 830nm wavelengths, stacked on top of each other?
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  13. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Since you paid for that recommendation
    you will be better of asking doctor for clarification.

  14. Muhammad Choudhry

    Muhammad Choudhry New Member

    I asked him on Q&A Pow Wow

    Not a consult

    I will try asking him on the next pow wow
  15. OptimalSkr

    OptimalSkr New Member

    That's not correct the firestorm is :
    Red and Near infrared light:
    1060 watts of red and infrared low flicker light. Spectrum(Wavelengths): (630nm-20%(orange-red)+660nm20%+670nm-20%(red)+830/850nm-40%(near-infrared)
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  16. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Look thru this, and try to figure it out:

    1900 links for PBM studies | Jack Kruse Optimal Health Forum
    Save your conclusions, post them here.

    time 9:20 power and treatment distance
    at 15-16" 70-75 mWatts/cm^2 , (every 15 seconds you get a one Joule of energy)
    10 -60 Joule for deep tissue treatment---> 2.5 minutes to 15 minutes, 15"-16" away
    for skin
    treatment you can go 30" away (time 11:40)
    want 3 to 15 Joules of absorbed energy
    for skin treatment 2-10 minutes 30" away to cover whole body
    time: 12 minutes

    every 40 seconds one Joule of absorbed energy

    EMR FireStorm Review and Dosage Times
    Jan 23, 2020
  17. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

  18. You said,
    "Ended with recommendation of much longer exposure time and (surprising) healing of his macula, because he was looking directly at the light."
    This is exactly the effect I am looking for in my wife. Was it while wearing the goggles or without them?
  19. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @Jack Kruse told him to wear goggles, (because he (Jack) assumed that it would hurt him) but the guy didn't listen.
    Hence the big surprise. So, two big surprises expected speedy bone healing, but with still unexpected speed, and total, positive, surprise with eyes.

    You should really relisten previous and yesterday's webinar, on this topic.

    Yesterday Jack continued this topic. He clearly is saying that he is learning with all of us, and it looks promising.
    Which is another way of saying that it is not actively advising doing this.
    I would keep in mind that the above is about the red light. That is no more than 40% of sunlight energy.
    That is a very expensive piece of equipment, with still only a few red and IR frequencies.

    Your wife may want to consider learning to look directly at the sun (that is using 100% natural energy for which she was created).
    At first, likely within the first two hours from sunrise and also the last two hours.
    There was a discussion here about (blond lady) who is a member here. Near the equator, (Cambodia??), she would lay on the metal boat (to stay cold), looking at the sun. The interesting thing about her is that she is a haplotype L, so she is really a black woman, looking absolutely white.
  20. Thank you, @JanSz, for all your advice and support! We are moving in the right direction. My concern continues to be with overdosing. It is a big change for my wife, who used to ridicule all these circadian-friendly practices. Her diagnosis made her rethink everything in one day, but I still need to instill this knowledge in her little by little. Luckily, she is now quite receptive to these ideas. We'll get there. As far as webinars, I am a patreon only. It was my big mistake not to become a member a long time ago, although when I tried more than once, the confirmation email never arrived. Definitely joining now.
    Until we have this light therapy all set up at home, she goes to a red light salon 3 days a week, using a regimen that the red light bed developer recommended, but I am skeptical about its usefulness.
    Also, we will have a conversation with her retina specialist MD about starting the injections, but I sense it is a Big Pharma solution to create customers. I don't know how well they actually work and whether peer review literature reflects any reality. We need demonstrable success with red light, in order to stop seeing the doctor.

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