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Question regarding CT

Discussion in 'Cold Thermogenesis' started by Dteshome, Nov 12, 2018.

  1. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    Last time i took a cold shower at night after about 60 seconds

    For someone who has high cortisol

    Is it better to avoid cold showers?

    I am curious if there is a good time

    In the day to take it.I notice that

    One night after taking

    wellbutrin(which activates dopamine and norephineprine)

    in The morning and feeling good

    until around 9 pm i took a cold

    shower and felt wired and weak and had

    problems sleeping that night

    I wonder if the epinephrine from

    wellbutrin + epinephrine from

    Cold shower caused to much

    cortisol.The next few days i did

    Not feel well.If you are in a state

    Of oxidative stress/high cortisol

    Is cold showers still a good idea?

  2. drezy

    drezy Gold

    Keep in mind that cold may not be your thing (aka you may not be an uncoupled haplotype).
  3. Sergio Valadez

    Sergio Valadez New Member

  4. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    Interesting the timing of this

    I have not had 23andme

    However my mother has and

    In addition to having ancestral roots

    In ethiopia she has ancestral roots in


    Prone to alzheimers is one of the

    things that showed up

    Couple days ago i experimented with

    Low fat high carb and went to a park

    In atlanta at 40 degrees and took

    My shoes off and walked barefoot in

    the cold.

    Within 20 mins i started feeling short

    Of breath and palpitations

    This was a mistake

    Had to stop at a gas station to recover

    My father also last night before getting

    Inside the vehicle came right back in

    The house and said he got cold shock

    He warmed up his car for 30 mins

    leaving the house.

    I am also sensitive to the summer uv

    Rays here in Atlanta.

    I hear that there is a connection

    between ehs and uv sensitivity.

    I don’t feel well in either extremes

    60-70 degrees feels about right.

    Thanks Sergio
  5. Sergio Valadez

    Sergio Valadez New Member

    There are a number of reasons why CT might not work for someone (or even why certain people don’t do well in the cold). Maternal/mitochondrial haplogroups is only one of them though they can be key. As you may already know, you inherit your mitochondia exclusively from your mom (your dad does not contribute). Your mom got hers from her mom (your maternal grandma) and she got hers from her mom and so on. Given the fact that your mom already got a 23andme test, you can already figure out what your maternal/mitochondrial haplogroup is without having to take a test yourself (as long as she is your biological mother). Here’s all you need to do:
    1. Go to 23andme.com
    2. Click on the top where it says “SIGN IN”
    3. Have your mom enter her info to sign in
    4. On the top, look for “ANCESTRY”, click and look for “Maternal Haplogroup” and click on that
    5. Near the top it should say the following:
    [your mom’s name], your maternal haplogroup is [???].

    Like I said before, whatever haplogroup your mom is, is also yours. Let us know what the result is and maybe someone can help figure out if your maternal haplogroup is the reason CT isn’t working for you. Also, you said your mom has multiple ancestries. Where is her maternal ancestry from specifically. Does she know, for example, where her mom’s mom is from for example (or even further back perhaps)?

    Sorry to hear about your bad experience in the cold. What you went through sounds awful.
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2019
  6. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    Thank You Mr Sergio

    I appreciate it
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  7. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    CT will likely not work for coupled haplotypes.
    Couple haplotypes are likely Africans.
    L haplotype was mentioned.

    One do not have to have black skin and look African to be African.

    There is three members on this board that have white skin and are Africans.



  8. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

  9. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    My mothers haplotype is m1a1

    Appreciate it

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  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Haplogroup M (mtDNA)

    is a descendant of the haplogroup L3

    Haplogroup L3 (mtDNA)


    If My understanding is correct:
    I would say that for the purpose of discussions here
    you can assume that you are coupled haplotype.

    coupled haplotype----->>have not experienced many changes, therefore have harder time to accommodate to changes, best location of residence in tropical region, likely will have a hard time to make a use of CT.

  11. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    Thanks for the insight Mr Jansz

  12. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    What is interesting is that i have a

    younger brother who resides north

    of me near sacramento.He actually

    recommeded cold showers as he takes

    them himself.He lifts weights 6 days

    A week,sometimes jogs a mile at the

    end of his weight session

    wifi is always turned on at his

    Place and uses his laptop for

    work,frequently traveling going

    through scanners and he does not

    appear to be affected by emf.

    He eats salmon,brown rice,red meat

    takes Protein shakes

    And lots of supplements

    and is not low carb probably moderate


    He believes this is mental though

    Suggesting i go to the gym and lift

    Weights which usually dont end up

    Feeling well afterwards.

    He would like me to move from

    Atl to Cali and says he will fix me by

    taking me to the gym regularly

    Anyways its interesting that we come

    From the same haplotype he and my

    younger sister and my mother

    and neither are significantly impacted

    by emf

    He mentioned that he use to be like

    Me fearing that people would poison

    his food and that once he moved out

    Of his parents this irrational belief

    Went away and that i am going

    through the same thing he went

    through with my illusions towards

    emf and cfs.

    Appreciate it

  13. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Being independent and self sufficient is highly positive state.
    The whole American and other countries systems, racial, Financial, Medical, pharmaceutical, food industry are organized in such a way that most people are pushed to feel as victims and they pay for "solutions".

    There is a whole thread where @Jack Kruse explains how it works.

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  14. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

  15. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    Sergio appreciate your feedback

    as well as others on here

    I had a conversation with my mother

    Yesterday about maternal lineage

    Here is some information

    -Her mother lived till 65 in ethiopia

    Died from hepatitis c

    -Her mother would often visit us

    in Michigan and said her mother liked

    the cold.She was a big boned woman

    -Mothers grandmother lived till 93
    In ethiopia

    -Mother says she does not like being
    In the sun

    -Dubai was too hot for her when we stayed there

    -Mother says air pollution in ethiopia
    and altitude make it harder for her
    To breath.Says that if she lived there
    She would probably have heart problems.At one point ethiopia was nice.No emission regulations.Vehicles
    Over 40 years old she says

    -She has made several trips to the capital city in the past year

    -Said she would rather live in
    the michigan snow than ethiopia

    -I spent a good portion of my childhood in Michigan.Would get the
    Flu about maybe 2 sometimes 3
    times in the winter

    -I asked her how about south africa and hawaii.Said she liked those places

    -Parents have a house in Addis Ababa
    Ethiopia and one in Folsom,Ca

    -Mother says she would rather live in
    california than ethiopia

    -Mothers brothers and sisters live in
    Toronto and both are doing ok

    I grew up north.Graduated from hs
    Near Pittsburgh in 2003

    Was on Golf team during my high school years as well as one year
    of basketball.Felt fine

    It was during the 4g era when
    some of these issues began

    Thanks ladies and gentlemen

    Last edited: Feb 22, 2019
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  16. Sergio Valadez

    Sergio Valadez New Member

    Dteshome, your maternal haplogroup M1a1 comes from haplogroup M1 which is the only subclade haplogroup of the macrohaplogroup M found in Africa. There are competing theories about its origin. We know that it came from the likely African L3, which is believed to have arisen in East Africa between 84K and 104K years ago. Alternatively, some theorize that L3 actually developped in Asia, potentially in cooler parts Asia (though not necessary super cold). After that there is further debate as to whether L3 carrying women first went over to Southern or Southeastern Asia (either from East Africa or potentially from Asia) and then gave birth to M (and N) there OR if L3 gave birth to M and N in East Africa (in or around the East Africa Rift Zone) before some of the women carrying M and N left to colonize Eurasia. In any case, regardless of which of the two regions gave birth to M and then M1, both regions are fairly low latitude regions. In addition, the haplogroups would have remained at low latitudes for tens of thousands of years until your family migrated to the high latitudes of Michigan and Pittsburgh, U.S. As I’m sure you’re aware, low-latitude does not always equal super hot climate. Addis Ababa, where your family has houses, is a perfect example. Due to its high altitude, the city can get chilly especially at night. However, this doesn’t come close to the high latitudes of places such Northern Europe or Michigan where you spent part of your childhood. Addis Ababa, despite being over 7K feet above sea level has never recorded a temperature below freezing (according to Wikipedia climate statistics); downtown Los Angeles, by comparison, has recorded a record low of 28F. This probably isn’t an exact science with everyone being either perfectly tightly coupled on the one hand or perfectly loosely coupled on the other hand, but in your case I would suspect that, if L3 developed in Northeast Africa, that you are more on the the more tightly coupled side of the spectrum, even if, perhaps your mitochondria are somewhat less tightly coupled (but still fairly tightly coupled and still in the general category of “tightly coupled”) than say for example equatorial sub-Saharan Africans whose ancestors have been in the hot lowlands of sub-Saharan Africa for tens of thousands of years). If, on the other hand, L3 actually developped in some of the cooler parts of Asia, it is possible that your mitochondria might be significantly more loosely coupled than standard equatorial African haplogroups such as L0. If that were to be the case, you would still probably not be as loosely coupled as Northern Europeans, in part because it’s doubtful that the L3 humans would have gone very far north (even if the planet was cooler at the time) AND later they would probably have spent tens of thousands of years in the low latiudes of Africa before eventually developing into your haplogroup (M1a1). I wish I could give you an easier, more certains answer, but unfortunately your haplogroup is SUPER complicated and SUPER controversial with disagreement as to its origins. Like I said however, this is just my best guess. Perhaps someone more knowledgable than me, can give you a different/better opinion. Hope this helps... and if anyone knows something I don’t please don’t hesitate to add or correct anything I said above.
    Here Dr. Kruse gives a more in depth explanation of the topic (in reference to haplogroup N, which is the sister group to M—from which you descend.): https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/is-ct-beneficial-to-asian-and-african.21836/

    Are you still living in Atlanta within 1km of Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport?

    I can’t imagine that regularly lifting weights in a blue-lit gym when your body is as weak as you described in another post could possibly be a good idea, though if you still live within 1 km of the airport AND you’re EHS. That airport is one of the bigger busiest airports in the U.S . and the entire world (as of 2017, busiest in terms of passengers in the world). As you’re probably aware, that airport no doubt puts out a TON of nnEMFs, in addition to crazy amounts of pollution (ultrafine particles).
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2019
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  17. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    No blue liten gym this is what i have

    done today instead as well as an hour

    And a half of slow grounded walking

    Did get some skipped heart beats

    Afterwards although i didnt walk

    Briskly and tried to stay on flat


    Have had mitral valve prolapse

    diagnosed around age 14

    afterwards ate some food when i got

    back home toke my second dose of

    Klonopin and feel good now.

    Yes still close to the airport

    Looking into alternatives

    Thank you Mr Sergio

    Last edited: Feb 22, 2019
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  18. Sergio Valadez

    Sergio Valadez New Member

    When I talked about lifting weights in a blue-lit gym, I was referring to how your younger brother thinks that he can heal you by working out/lifting weights in a gym regularly (over in California). I know that you are not currently lifting weights at a gym. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
    Nice, from your Youtube videos I can tell that you’re super dedicated/motivated.
    Have you gotten any closer to coming up with alternative places where you could go/live?
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2019
  19. Sergio Valadez

    Sergio Valadez New Member

    P.S. I did a little more research and added some more info that I learned onto my comment from yesterday about the origins of your metrnal/mitochondrial haplogroup... hope that helps.
  20. Dteshome

    Dteshome New Member

    Hello Mr Sergio

    Appreciate your feedback

    Still looking into some different

    options i am looking into possibly the

    Peace Corp as my parents are

    planning to move from the house we

    Stay in now near the airport to

    apartments closer to the airport.

    Open to anywhere where i can

    share my gifts within my capacity.

    I have a background in working with

    individuals with disabilites as well

    as Health education.BS in Health


    I was looking into woofing but with my

    Mitochondria functiong and CFS i

    find that i do better when i stay within

    1-5,000 steps a day as reccomended

    by a CFS specialist. Dr Lamm now

    retired specialized in CFS clinic in




    So too much

    manual labor right now probably isn’t

    A good idea.I find i feel better when i

    dont walk to much

    My functionality is limited as well

    As socialization and sensory output

    When i go past this i tend to get Post

    Exertional Malaise even if its barefoot

    Walking in the woods in a low emf

    Environment for too long

    As an example i overdid

    It yesterday walking an hour an a half.

    Yes the grounding can help and its a


    Better to limit it under 30 mins for

    now.Today i limited my walk to 30

    mins to not overdo it.

    I need to make sure i

    stay within my energy envelope avoid

    long conversations,minimize


    and too much reading within

    the energy envelope and pace myself

    as these tend to excerbate cfs

    These are factors that i have to

    consider. I think combining this with

    Redox startegies is the way to go

    as the process of recovery can take

    months/years.It will be a challenge

    for me since my parents are moving

    in June and have given me the option

    Of moving with them near the airport

    Or to their house near sacramento

    which has wifi.

    So need to get creative with these

    factors.If it was ehs without cfs that

    would make things easier doing

    manual labor but with cfs recovery

    Is a long process.


    There is a doctor in Charlotte

    Who diagnoses CFS.Perhaps this may

    Be worth looking into since many docs

    I have met will not make the diagnoses

    Yes it appears the gym

    works for my brother.Sometimes light

    Weights and minimal sets is ok

    for a few mins if am

    feeling well.Definitely not cardio.

    I understand where he and

    many others are coming from as ehs

    and cfs are alien to many people

    including doctors.Got to deal with

    the cards you are dealt with my


    Thank You

    Last edited: Feb 23, 2019

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