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Post Finasteride ED problem

Discussion in 'Meet and Greet' started by bugrahan, Sep 30, 2020.

  1. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    One doubt. In my sunrise therapy I do have some street lights around. They are kind of periferally and not very strong. I guess my question is... for the first 10-15 minutes of redish sunrise light there is some dim artificial light around in the park, which I try to position away from my direct gazing. How much is this of a problem? Should I just wait those 10-15 minutes with my blueblockers on and only get pure natural light? Or is it better to try to catch strictly the first AM light even if I periferally get some, not much, artificial light?

    I know its a loaded/abstract question, I probably should put here a photo for you to judge... :)
  2. I would use serious red type blue-blockers. example: https://truedark.com/product/twilights-classic/
    They come on when the sun goes down. Glasses of a this color spectrum only allows red in. Your brain does not get any other signal.
  3. bugrahan

    bugrahan New Member

    Thanks for your help, I am supplementing Vitamin B , D ,C and probiotic capsules, L arginin and citruline at the moment, I can’t focus on my diet yet but I will try.
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  4. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    Spend more time outdoors, with your "naked eyes", meaning no sunglasses, glasses or contact lenses. There is a hormonal pathway through the retina that will make you feel better just by getting natural light. Vitamin D needs to be taken from the Sun, not pill, according to dr.Kruse. Spend time outdoors in daytime, in nature. At night.. buy some blueblockers and put them on!!! Eyes and skin should be exposed to natural light and covered from artificial. It´s important

    Listen to Jack´s podcasts if you haven´t, for me it was much easier than his crazy blogs to begin with.
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  5. @bugrahan & @Pablo -> Gentlemen may I stress with you that Post Finasteride Syndrome -> Vascular Adnormalities <- is a big deal.

    It's not just inconvenient to have "no wood" syndrome. When your endothelial vessels dysfunction, you are now a candidate for a stroke with no warning signs.
    We need to focus our attention on rebuilding your vascular health. You may not believe it, but you're not to young to die.

    Please consider the following Dr. Jack Kruse's prescription: a nutrient "plan", a therapeutic sunlight "plan", a nnEMF mitigation "plan", a blue-light mitigation "plan", a movement (exercise) out in nature "plan", and a rest and recovery "plan".

    Let's keep it simple before we go into the details:
    • The basic nutritional building blocks starting with fatty acids, specifically DHA; every human cell requires it. When it is sparse, we loss cognitive function as well our sex drive. Proteins also require DHA for its phospholipid bilayer membrane; thus cold water “sea food”. Minerals are used with fatty acids and proteins to build every human cell; thus Dr. Jack Kruse recommends oysters. Enzymes are required in most molecular transformation; these are by plants; thus "sea weed".
    • Fully exposure yourself towards the sunrise (minimum 20 minutes). The moisture on the ground or grass will conduct Earth's voltage. -> https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?posts/292676
    • Fully exposure yourself towards the solar noon day sunlight (minimum 20 minutes per side)
    • If you live or work in a high nnEMF environment, clean it up, shutting down wireless communication. If you can not control this in the work place, you have two choices: 1) leave and find a better work environment or 2) wear protective clothing (this will have very little protection).
    • Always wear blue-light protection while using any device.
    • Exercise outside daily -> we will go into more detail later
    • Sleep in cool darkness with all the electricity to your rooms off.
    There are specifics to each of these; however, we need to communicate the importance of why we are making the change.
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  6. @bugrahan & @Pablo -> If you don't mind, I'm moving forward with a little more detail on the subject of Vascular Abnormalities.

    Blood vessels are built by endothelial cells – the cells lining the interior of blood vessels – through a process named vascular morphogenesis. https://vb.bioscientifica.com/view/journals/vb/2/1/VB-20-0007.xml

    What we want is evidence of increased endothelial cell turnover in our brain. – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11440433/
    We know that it takes energy to turnover new vascular endothelial cells - https://journals.physiology.org/doi/abs/10.1152/ajpcell.1997.273.1.C205
    So what is the dynamics of endothelial vascular remodeling? – https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27802214/
    This article is a general depiction of vascular degeneration - not a good thing - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3521155/
    So what do we know about Post Finasteride Syndrome and Hypotrophic blood vessels? <- highly active metabolite dihydrotestosterone (DHT) is bad. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/circulationaha.114.012066

    We also know the control of dihydrotestosterone levels in the body is by the hypothalamus and pituitary glands. The hypothalamus releases gonadotrophin-releasing hormone, which travels to the pituitary gland, stimulating it to produce and release luteinising hormone into the bloodstream. However, testosterone production does not have to product dihydrotestosterone (DHT). <- This is a dysfunction of our body. That is why I suggest at the beginning of our tread -> a reduction of your Estradiol -> https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?posts/292541

    Ok, so rebuilding our blood vessels is important. Question: How do Dr. Jack Kruse's prescriptions help? <- Energy

    You are both young; but may I say your cellular voltage is not to par. In order to heal and repair cells, they (your cells) voltage needs to be greater (negatively speaking) than -50mV. In fact Jack says at lease -125mV. So what's this negative all about, we always thought positive is good and negative is bad. <- Nope

    When a cell begins it downward spiral, its voltage will move from negative to positive. Once it's passed zero, the polarity has flipped. Your moving into disease and when your cell's clocking in at or above +50mV, its in cancer potential territory.

    Ok, so voltage is important; How do you increase your "Energy" quotient?
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  7. I know it is tempting to believe a pill - even nutraceuticals - will be the magic to fix us.
    Just think about it, didn't just a small pharmaceutical drug screw with you?
    The question is -> Are there nutraceuticals available to help? <- Yes

    However, this issue is not like a bad headache <- take two of these, and call me in the morning.
    Post Finasteride Syndrome is serious. Since your on this forum, if only occasionally, I am obligated to let you know nutraceuticals will not fix you. But they can help and I will cover that as well.
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  8. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Post Finasteride ED problem
    I am all ears.
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  9. DrEttinger

    DrEttinger Choice, the only thing we control

    I'm all ears too.
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  10. bugrahan

    bugrahan New Member

    Thanks sir you are really helpful, I'm waiting for your advices, I have kinda some protoc for myself like,

    Boosting GABA (taking Valerian Root,Sleep 7-8 hours,walking outside= and taking some amino acids like "l-carnitine,l-citruline,l arginine " for helping neurotransmitters, also I'm taking probiotic pills for the gut, trying intermitting fasting, and taking B vitamins,D vitamins. Searches says we might got Dna methylation so I'm trying to reverse it. I'm sure this poison crashed my pelvic muscles and prostate I have freequent urination If I drink one cup of black tea I go toilet every 10 mins, I have painful ejaculation, some minor discomfort feeling under of my belly button...
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  11. @JanSz @DrEttinger I've only been studying this health thing for 50 years. So I don't believe I know much; however, I am a bit concerned. Both of you most likely know your current "health status"; using quantified measurements - i.e. blood serum and dry urine metabolite analyses. We don't know anything about the @bugrahan nor @Pablo except -
    • @bugrahan is taking vitamins
    • @Pablo is experimenting with some of Dr. Jack Kruse's protocols
    What we do know is their Post Finasteride symptoms, and that these are not minor inconveniences. Specifically -> Endothelial Abnormalities in what seems to be "all the pipes" - urinary and vascular. The question I feel is important is -> How did a small stimulus finasteride cascade such a huge impact? If I may, I believe there are two potential reasons:
    • Their cellular matrix was compromised - before this drug
    • Their hormone cascade had already malfunctioned producing uncontrolled DHT - before the drug.
    This is why I've focused my attention on these two first.
    There are two classifications of nutraceuticals as I understand them
    • Nutritional <- that is those which can supplement a diet
    • Stimulant <- those that directly modify, enhance or inhibit a cellular potential process
    When we present ideas or even recommendations, I believe it is important to communicate what class of nutraceuticals we are presenting and what potential ramifications could occur; specially since we know that finasteride cascade had a huge impact on their biology.
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  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold


    Granpa is a gentleman in the most delightful way.

    Help grandpa in helping you.
    Eat no more than a spoonful of sugar (maybe not).
    DUTCH (available worldwide)
    Spectracell micronutrient and lipid Analysis.

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    Watch this video on YouTube
    Mary Poppins-Spoon Full of sugar

    in the most delightful way.
    thanks heaven

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  13. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    Thanks for your writings.

    I upload my DUTCH Complete hormones lab done 2 years ago (about 4 years after the crash). I may be better right now, not sure. I do have better erections but still far from where I want. There is a lot of stuff in the file which wasn´t able do decipher, but these looked out of place:

    5a-DHT: 8,5 ng/ml (9-25 is the reference range for men 20-39 years old)

    DHEA-S: 99 ng/ml (150-1500 rr)

    Creatinine: Morning 0.27 mg/ml, Afternoon 0,22 mg/ml (0.3-3 rr)

    Pyroglutamate 93.5 ug/mg (43 – 85) Above range

    Among PFS sufferers I see mostly sexual problems as the common denominator, but there are variations. @bugrahan for example has pain in pelvic floor which I never had, neither ejaculation or evacuation pain. My stuff right now is basically bad erection quality and I´d say not much ejaculation volume (not that I care too much about the latter... much more the former lol). I´ve even seen people only with mental side effects and not sexual.

    I think I´m doing most of Jack´s protocols to good extent. I´m finding CT especially good, especially going lower temps...


    This guy here totally cured from full blown PFS, he is one of the very very few. His method is in the link, many similarities with Jack (sun, cold...). He adds some long term fasting, a shit ton of adaptogens and focuses a lot on exercise, though does not talk nnEMF´s or blue light. A few other guys claim recovering with his method. Now I read somewhere that the guy lived- at least for a while - near central America, and also spent some months in the freaking jungle. He doesn´t put that in "his method" but it may have been one of the best protocols...


    This other French guy adds nnEMF mitigation and somegazing into his 90% recovery. Also incorporates fasting.

    I´m trying to see some commonalities in people who recovered. It´s very tricky this healing journey, sometimes you don´t know if you´re doing things wrong, you´re pushing to little, just being impatient .

    Things I´m considering in my journey:
    -Deep CT. Yesterday I got into 7C/45F and felt pretty good
    -Fasting: How much is optimal? Intermittent? Long term? My max has been 5 days no food. Is it worth it pushing here? Is it worth doing strict OMAD (I do about 60% days but not always)
    -Leptin RX: How important is this for PFS guys? I try to eat big breakfast but is it.

    I´m open to any advice/teachings... I´m loving the thread by the way!! :)

    Attached Files:

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  14. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    There is my old DUTCH @JanSz , I know you love testing, but money is limited and I guess seafood, emf testing, light equipment, etc. may be more worth it? At least it seems for my situation at the moment... I don´t know @bugrahan, it may be good for him to get a baseline idea. I don´t know his money either
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  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Cannot open that DUTCH file.

    Microsoft edge



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  16. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    If you are in similar situation on DUTCH test, then I would not wait for a more low hanging fruit that that.
    @Jack Kruse would call it pregnenolone steal.
    Others would suspect problems with cortisol.
    DHEA pills are cheap and easy available (in USA).
    Overall, most likely nothing to do with finasteride, but highly hurtful.
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  17. I really enjoyed https://www.totalmaleoptimization.com/ good stuff, the adaptogens he listed some are stimulants some calm you down and are restorative like Ashwagandha.
    I hope that most of what I present well be mainstream and hopefully Jack Kruse "approved".
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  18. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  19. @bugrahan & @Pablo - So how do we fix the pipes -> Energy

    How do we get from optimal -50mV to what Jack says at lease -125mV?

    We will focus on three elements for increasing your cellular "Energy" quotient

    · Photoelectric force
    · Biochemical-electrical force / signaling
    · Piezoelectric force

    Our photoelectric force comes from – you guessed it <- our sun. Our cells when they are built on the “correct” ingredients are able absorb photons from the sun and convert them to electrical potential. Just a review, these building blocks are fatty acids DHA, proteins with ECF phospholipid bilayers composed primarily of DHA and minerals bound to carbon molecules. So, what does that mean again: cold water “sea food”, oysters, crustaceans, fish. https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?posts/292700

    So how does this sea food thing create a photoelectric force -> melanin. As you build new cells, we’re going to add a few ingredients, specifically -> astaxanthin, a carotenoid which your DNA genes used to “melanate” its cells. It is melanin that creates the electric charge from photons for your cells. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c129/31e223d5213c778aa134709bf08021f2b438.pdf See: Dr. Arturo Solis Herrera MD, PhD “The Human Photosysnthesis”. Melanin dissociates water molecules, splitting the dipole paramagnetic bond of H2O. The negative electrons from the two “freed” hydrogen atoms are harvested by your cells. It’s simple mathematics; add up the electron charge(s), and we’re “increasing” from net -50mV and moving it to -125mV. Just a note: melanin’s capacity to “energize” cells is not a function of Fluid Dynamics nor heat diffusion; it is melanin’s capacity to store light; all waveforms including gamma rays, and it is the photon(s) that do the “work.”

    Nutritional Supplementation: Your best source is Krill; however, our body can use plant base(s), https://astarealusa.com/ -> recommendation take one twice daily with food. I purchased: https://www.vitacost.com/doctors-best-astaxanthin-with-astapure. Also consider Chitosan, it is an extract of shell of crustaceans -> recommendation take two twice daily with food. I purchased: https://www.vitacost.com/nutricology-microchitosan-60-vegetarian-capsules. Also consider Marine Phytoplankton https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1631069108002692 -> recommendation take two twice daily with food. I purchase: https://www.vitacost.com/umac-core-marine-phytoplankton

    Depending on your mRNA haplotype, the tone of your melanin in your skin will vary; however, more does not equal better. The darker you are the greater protection you have from all UV rays, including UVB which is required for stimulating your hormone production of vitamin D through the sulfation of the cholesterol in the subcutaneous fat under your skin. Darker melanated skin inhibits UVB entrance and thus lessens vitamin D synthesis. Take home -> you maybe have a handsome tan, but that means you have to spend even more time during solar noon fully exposing yourself. But I thought I needed a tan to keep yourself from getting a sun burned by the UVA light? Not exactly, Dr. Jack Kruse’s prescription is to build your solar callus. https://jackkruse.com/how-do-you-build-a-solar-callus-natures-way/

    The UVB stimulus is vital to your recovery. Your goal is to keep your natural vitamin D status above 90. Mine comes in at 119ng/mL. We often think of a pill when we think of vitamin D status; however, Dr. Jack Kruse warns against it - https://optimalklubs.com/qt-16-where-does-elf-uv-come-from/. Specifically, he says, “D3 supplement pills don’t and can never give you triplet state.” But with all that “perfect world” stuff, a little D3 supplementation may not be optimal but it’s better than values less than 45ng/mL. Bottomline – does it hurt to supplement a little <- no. We know vitamin D3 is important - https://examine.com/supplements/vitamin-d/ Vitamin D3 is a hormone your body used to stimulate (energize) repair - https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/109275/

    UVB take home – Depending on your latitude, your mRNA haplotype, skin melanation and time of year, please consider building your solar callus and spend time fully exposed during solar noon. However, solar noon is a function of your location; check out - http://dminder.ontometrics.com/

    Ok, all this talk about melanin, now what? -> melatonin. Melatonin is first made in the eye during your sunrise therapy session -> https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?posts/292676. Specifically, green light - https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.p...t-stimulate-iprgc-neuro-axon-secretion.25272/. Melatonin is regenerated by the pineal gland; however, it is made throughout the body including your gut. It is the formularization of the aromatic amino acid tryptophan to serotonin to the hormone melatonin. During your recovery, primarily sleep time is when this hormone works for you. Dr. Jack Kruse has said, “if your vitamin D3 and melatonin statues are high you won’t get cancer.” Let’s just back up a moment, when your cellular net negative charge flips to positive, by the time you’re at +50nV, the cell is cancerous. So, is it possible that stimulating hormonal effect of melatonin influence this voltage potential? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25843408/. It is the stimulation of cellular voltage discharge that melatonin influences - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130204/. Melanin’s role is as the energy potential in your cellular machine.

    Bottomline: To build “healthy” melanated cells, you need: a good source of DHA fatty acids, DHA proteins (seafood) and carotenoids. Ok, but what about this melatonin formularization thing? Consider taking tryptophan https://www.glanbianutritionals.com/en/PepFormTryptophan. I purchase https://www.vitacost.com/jarrow-formulas-l-tryptophan-peptide. Even though melatonin is a hormone and thus typically should not be supplemented; however, a small dose at night shouldn’t hurt; try -> https://www.vitacost.com/natures-plus-sleep-assure.

    The photoelectric force from our sun programs two fundamental hormones in our body -> “vitamin D3” and melatonin. Our body uses melanin to convert photons to electrical potential for your cells to heal. We can think of our sun’s photoelectric effect as Nutritional. Now let’s look at the photoelectric force in photobiomodulation <- the Stimulating effect.

    You’ve seen it on the web -> grow hair - https://www.irestorelaser.com/products/laser-hair-growth-system-professional. This one is the real deal. It uses LED with some lasers; it “flashes” the lights on for a bit than off; then on for a bit than off; this is programed for 20 minutes. After about six months to a year, you’ll see progress – if you had hair follicles under that bolded head of yours waiting to grow when they got the right stimuli.

    Photobiomodulation therapy is now a thing for Alzheimer’s - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7369090/

    How about vascular regeneration in the mouth - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0099239920307640 - Photodynamic therapy (PDT) and Photobiomodulation therapy (PBM) as adjuncts to pulp revascularization using cultures of apical papilla cells (APCs) and endothelial cells (HUVECs).

    From the “Handbook of Photomedicine” page 579 section Blood Supply: Stimulation of Endothelial Cell Proliferation and Promotion of Angiogenesis and Neovascularization – “Low-Level Laser Therapy was found to stimulate endothelial cell proliferation by upregulating the expression and secretion of Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) from arterial smooth muscle cells and T-lymphocytes.” -> Yes, I really do by medical book and read them.

    We know photobiomodulation has a stimulating effect; however, the specific treatments are in the hands of physicians. Dr. Jack Kruse is in the process (as understand it) of acquiring a $300,000 laser for the “Farm”. Farm members will have this available as an option. Dr. Jack Kruse sees photobiomodulation as a medical procedure and treats it as such.

    So, what are we to do? Are there DIY treatments, purchasable (within a responsible price) devices available that may help? I think we can make a good guess at it. First off, we know we can change up the lighting in our office; we can make a light room at home; these may not be photobiomodulation therapy level solutions, but could they help? I think so. If you’re doing the “home office” thing, because of COVID, could you make up an office space outside in the sun? If winter is on your horizon, then could you surround yourself in therapeutic lights; a stand-up desk with multiple UV, IR, red, orange, yellow and green lights trained on your body as you work? If that sounds like an option for you, may I suggest six UV bulbs, three IR bulbs, one orange, one yellow and one green. I prefer Meg-Ray Mercury Vapor 100-watt bulbs for UV, flood lamp Near Infrared incandescent 100-watt bulbs and flood lamp incandescent 100-watt bulbs for the other colors. These all run on 60 Hz or 50 Hz; so even though there may be flicker, its not as bad as LEDs. The positive side of LEDs is they consume less electricity, but the entry price point for the light intensity of these floor bulbs compared to LED equivalent is much less.

    In review of the “Handbook of Photomedicine”, there are currently no protocols for penile vascular remodeling. However, shining a red light onto the location just behind the scrotum would be a prime target for therapy, but I would use LED for that therapy, because LEDs tend to run a little cooler than incandescent bulbs.

    Our next subject on the quest to -> how do we fix the pipes will be

    · Biochemical-electrical force / signaling

    Grandpa John
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