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photobiomodilation Vs Red light therapy

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Metameta, Aug 12, 2019.

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  1. Metameta

    Metameta New Member

    Looking at the joov light I don’t see modulation mentioned, as mentioned in the Mercola article on photobiomodilation… here
    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/02/26/photobiomodulation.aspx
    40Hz being their best results
    I was just going to use a red incandescent globe with a seemingly ok light frequency output curve albeit no modulation.

    I know Jack disapproves of LED lighting, how about these kind of lights, and also wondering about the modulation part..?
     
    Metameta, Aug 12, 2019
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  2. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Read Hamblin or Kuru papers and avoid Mercola. His stuff is mostly marketing fluff.
     
    Jack Kruse, Aug 12, 2019
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  3. Metameta

    Metameta New Member

    I had a read through those papers, biochem often goes above my head.. I read 1Hz was briefly mentioned as possibly better than continuous..
    http://photobiology.info/Hamblin.html
    "7.4 Pulsed or CW. There have been some reports that pulse structure is an important factor in LLLT; for instance Ueda et al. [79, 80] found better effects using 1 or 2 Hz pulses than 8 Hz or CW 830 nm laser on rat bone cells, but the underlying mechanism for this effect is unclear. "
     
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    Metameta, Aug 31, 2019
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  4. Metameta

    Metameta New Member

    My only question regarding photobiomodulation now is regarding incandescent globes..

    I would guess that it is better to get the specific frequencies in the specific low level power desired (using LEDs).. Possibly one of the ebay IR + Red panels would be helpful..
     
    Metameta, Sep 5, 2019
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  5. YuriyDorogoy

    YuriyDorogoy New Member

    YuriyDorogoy, Sep 5, 2019
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  6. Metameta

    Metameta New Member

    looks good, hopefully that large heatsink will absorb some of the EMFs these devices surely blast out aswell
     
    Metameta, Sep 6, 2019
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  7. YuriyDorogoy

    YuriyDorogoy New Member

    I think the same EF that you will have from incandescent 35w lamp, the EMF is the light itself 660/830nm photon length.Heat sink is for... heat, because 830nm is NIR.
     
    YuriyDorogoy, Sep 7, 2019
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  8. Metameta

    Metameta New Member

    No the heat sink is for the LED thermal losses. Also these cheap eBay lamps rarely have proper electronics, which is risky not just cos of the EMF noise.
    I have been using a 50W reptile lamp, although have noticed some heating on my arm having it on my desk, so thats not great. Is a pretty cool lamp though optically.
    So my concern with an ebay LED array for LLLT would be the PWM from the LEDs.. definitely want to avoid that, as well as the EMFs from the circuitry
     
    Metameta, Sep 9, 2019
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  9. Metameta

    Metameta New Member

    just bought this.. guess we'll see :)
     
    Metameta, Sep 20, 2019
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