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Pg/E ratio?

Discussion in 'Optimal Labs' started by Jude, Aug 26, 2012.

  1. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    That should say August!! Not October.

  2. Ok, so which one is low? P or E? both?
  3. KiwiLauren

    KiwiLauren Gold

    Since it's a ratio and assuming you did it correctly, it would mean that their relative amounts are very out of balance, with you being E dominant. For their individual amounts, you'd need to correlate to the reference ranges for your labs.
  4. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Post copy of your test report.

    What was tested, saliva, serum.

    What lab did the testing

    what day of menstrual cycle sample was taken

    make sure units and ranges are visible on copy of test report


  5. Thanks so much - your help is so appreciated!

    Link to labs in next post here - won't let me link in this message.

    Female, 44, 210 lbds, Gastric Bypass 10+ yrs ago - so the complications of Iron and B-12 deficiencies are an unavoidable consequense of that. Working on both.

    Different labs drawn on different dates, draw dates on spreadsheet. Hormones were drawn recently via blood. Lab Century - something my doc's office uses. We re-drew testosterone a 2nd time because couldn't believe 1st number.

    2nd draw came back very high, too. Also symptoms of high testosterone creeping in (hair loss, lowered voice, acne).

    My HR is generally low (60-70 resting)

    Blood Pressure usually 100/70ish. . .

    goes down to 90/60, but in that range lately.

    Blood Sugars don't seem to be a problem - but I do eat pretty low carb. Fasting under 80, highest after meals is about 120. . .but often staying below 100.

    Again. . . .Thanks!
  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    cavemam;52588 wrote:
    link issues, use this:


    desirable (ideal) on 4th day


    progesterone=1.4 ng/mL




    According to the late Dr. John Lee, PE( 200 and 300 )

    According to dr Kruse, up to 500


    Taking your E2=47 it is just about right

    but missing big on progesterone if you want to get to just average,

    missing even more if you want to listen to dr Kruse or dr Lee


    find out your pregnenolone levels and other steroid hormone levels.

    Consider using LabCorp.

    Consider using this (specifically this) tests.

    Other, similar tests may give you a headache.

    1 ------- Pregnenolone, Mass Spectrometry--Test Number: 140707 CPT Code: 84140

    2 ------- 17α-Hydroxypregnenolone by HPLC-MS/MS

    3 ------- 17α-Hydroxyprogesterone by HPLC-MS/MS

    4 ------- Progesterone--Test Number: 004317 CPT Code: 84144

    5 ------- Cortisol, Free, Serum (Free Cortisol, Serum Cortisol, CBG)

    6 ------- Cortisol, AM & PM Test Number: 104000 CPT Code: 82533(x2) (7:30AM, 12PM)

    7 ------- Corticosteroid-binding Globulin (CBG), Transcortin

    8 ------- Corticotropin Releasing Hormone (CRH)

    9 ------- Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA) Sulfate--Test Number: 004020 CPT Code: 82627

    10 ------- Dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA)--Test Number: 004100 CPT Code: 82626

    11 ------- Androstenedione, LCMS--Test Number: 004705 CPT Code: 82157

    12 ------- Testosterone, Total, Serum Test Number: 004226 CPT Code: 84403

    13 ------- Testosterone, Free and Weakly Bound--Test Number: 143255 CPT Code: 84402; 84403

    14 ------- SHBG

    15 ------- Dihydrotestosterone (DHT)--Test Number: 500142 CPT Code: 82651

    16 ------- Androstanediol Glucuronide (Endocrine Sciences) Test Number: 500881 CPT Code: 82154

    17 ------- Estrogens, Total; Test Number: 004549 CPT Code: 82672

    18 ------- Estradiol, Sensitive Test Number: 140244 CPT Code: 82670

    19 ------- Estrone, Serum Test Number: 004564 CPT Code: 82679


    Make your doc to agree on

    NOT using progesterone



    use pregnenolone Micronized Lipid Matrix from Nutricology/Allergy research

    buy from HerbsPro by the dozen, cheaper.

    Do not be surprised if you will need 300, 600 or 1000mg/day

    Measure DHEAs, you posted DHEA

    Supplement if need.

    Supplementing, use 100-200mg 7ketoDHEA first, and do not change that dose.

    What you are still missing on DHEAs, supplement with regular DHEA.

    Likely DHEA from Nutricology/Allergy research is good choice.


    low FT3, TSH

    hope this help:

    2/day-->Super Selenium Complex, 200 mcg 100 capsules (lef.org)

    1 dropperfull/day

    Lugol's Iodine Family Pack -- 6 (2 fl. oz.) bottles Price: $73.90



    Low iron & Hgb

    Gluten Free Diet

    UNILIVER --tabs




    Argentine Liver Formula!

    Dessicated Liver: 30 Grain Nutrient Rich, Essential Amino Acids, Flash Frozen!


    Available also from amazon.com

    Eat 10-15 tabs/day for a month

    then 3-5/day

    measure results (iron, ferritin & Hgb)

  7. Hope

    Hope Gold

    Anyone know of an update to this? It is no longer there...

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