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Pelvic Organ Prolapse

Discussion in 'Female Quantum Biology' started by ShellyFM, May 26, 2021.

  1. ShellyFM

    ShellyFM Gold + Recovering night owl and blue light addict!

    Anyone have experience with pelvic organ prolapse and experiencing improvement in symptoms after following Jack's protocols?

    Has Jack ever talked about this? What are his recommendations and has he talked about the science and cause behind them?

    I have grade 3 uterine prolapse as well as rectocele and enterocele. There seem to be so many theories on cause and opinions on how to help but it doesn't seem like solid science or evidence. So far everything I've tried hasn't really helped.

    They started a couple years after my first child was born. I've heard theories tied to hormones, muscle tone, ligament laxity, etc. I've seen a few doctors, physical therapists, pelvic specialists, tried the kegels, devices, pessaries, exercises, etc. Nothing seems to help much.
  2. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    That is tied to the dopamine levels in the pelvic wall. Women who rarely get their perineum in the sun suffer from this due to altered fiber type in the pelvic muscles.

    How to do pelvic floor muscle exercise using sunlight or PBM
    Once you can feel your pelvic floor muscles working, you can start exercising them in the light:

    • Pelvic floor muscle exercises can be done anywhere – while sitting, standing or lying down in the sun.
    • Squeeze and draw in the muscles around your anus (back passage) and vagina at the same time. Lift them UP inside. You should have a sense of “lift” each time you squeeze your pelvic floor muscles. Try to hold them strong and tight as you count to 8. Now, let them go and relax. You should have a distinct feeling of “letting go”. If you can’t hold for 8, just hold for as long as you can.
    • Repeat “squeeze and lift” and let go. It is best to rest for about 8 seconds in between each lift up of the muscles.
    • Repeat this “squeeze and lift” as many times as you can, up to a limit of 8 to 10 squeezes. This equals one set.
    • Try to do three sets of 8 to 10 squeezes each day.
    • I just got a new light unit built that is large enough where one can do this in any environment.
    While doing pelvic floor muscle training:

    • keep breathing
    • only squeeze and lift
    • do NOT tighten your buttocks
    • keep your thighs relaxed.
    Pelvic floor exercises are most effective when individually tailored and monitored. If you are not sure that you are doing the squeezes right, or if you do not see a change in symptoms after three months, ask for help from your family doctor, a Women's, Men's and Pelvic Health Physiotherapist or Nurse Continence Specialist. Doing this in sunlight works faster than it does with PBM.
  3. ShellyFM

    ShellyFM Gold + Recovering night owl and blue light addict!

    Thank you so much for the reply! I actually have been doing the pelvic floor exercises. I've seen a few different doctors and therapists, and the most recent has been very knowledgeable, though she stopped seeing patients in person due to the pandemic.

    I always wondered if it was hormonally linked given the tie in to me giving birth to my first born and developing the prolapses after and them worsening after weaning. Then they got better in the 3rd trimester of my second born and didn't come back until around the time he started to wean off nursing as well.

    My husband and I have been working on a way for me to get some sun in the buff in our backyard. So, it sounds like while I do that, I should do my pelvic floor exercises during that time, right? I have a routine that I do from my therapist that includes the ones you've described that I would do. Is it best to do that during the early morning sun before 10am or around solar noon considering I've never had those areas exposed to the sun before?

    That light unit looks amazing! Is there something like that available on a smaller scale for patient use at home for this purpose?
  4. ShellyFM

    ShellyFM Gold + Recovering night owl and blue light addict!

    @Jack Kruse Is the EmR Tek Firestorm sufficient for pelvic floor red light exposure? I’m unable to afford the Firehawk at this time. If so, how often and for how long would you recommend using the Firestorm for the pelvic floor?
  5. @ShellyFM - Have you considered https://myellevibe.com/

    The Rationale for Photobiomodulation Therapy of Vaginal Tissue for Treatment of Genitourinary Syndrome of Menopause: An Analysis of Its Mechanism of Action, and Current Clinical Outcomes
    These studies demonstrate that the vSculpt device is capable of producing demonstrable and sustained clinical change in postmenopausal women with GSM and/or SUI symptoms. The vSculpt device has 9 red and infrared LEDs with 6 custom vibration modes.

    Histology of Subject 3 demonstrating papillomatosis, increased glucogenic load and thickness of the vaginal epithelium, with acanthosis and parakeratosis, increased cellularity, and a complete restorative reaction at the level of the ECM at 3 months after treatment (B, 100 × ). Compared with baseline (A).
    19 – RED LED lights (650nm)
    12 – BLUE LED Lights (477nm)

    Their design has 31 therapeutic LED lights, 3 red LEDs are located on the tip of the wand. This allows you the freedom to insert the device based on your comfort level and still experience maximum benefits. Optional Sonic Vibration feature for enhanced blood flow and added benefits.​

    Note: After reviewing the various produces available, my wife chose the MyElle.
  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  7. ShellyFM

    ShellyFM Gold + Recovering night owl and blue light addict!

    That looks interesting but it kind of makes me nervous. Considering we should minimize exposure to blue light due to blue light toxicity, wouldn't the blue light exposure have a negative effect? Can the blue light be turned off? I didn't see that on their site. I also get nervous about affecting the delicate balance of vaginal flora as I have struggled with that a lot in the past and finally have it under control for the past decade or so by being very careful with what I use and diet.

    How long has your wife been using it? What effects has she noticed?

    What attracted me to the EMR Tek light was that I could do the pelvic floor exercises that I've been doing, prescribed by my pelvic floor therapist (very similar to the ones Jack Kruse described above) and maximize the effects with the red light like Kruse also recommended.

    I'm not opposed to considering the MyElle but given the two options, it feels like the EMR Tek has a better reputation and range of treatment options. Does your wife have one of those, too?
  8. ShellyFM

    ShellyFM Gold + Recovering night owl and blue light addict!

    I agree but frequency would increase substantially with the in home red light therapy, which only seems like it would be a positive.
  9. Please understand your light - Just think about it a moment, Dr. @Jack Kruse prescription for light starts with sunrise therapy. What are the two dominant frequencies at sunrise? -> Blue & Red and some Infrared.

    Under the spotlight: mechanisms of photobiomodulation concentrating on blue light
    Blue light PBM in which an opsin receptor is activated by blue light, which induces a conformational change in the cis-retinaldehyde cofactor, allowing it to act as a guanine nucleotide exchange factor. This then enables the dissociation of guanosine diphosphate (GDP) from subunit Gα of the associated G protein and the binding of guanosine triphosphate (GTP). In turn this provides the activation energy to enable Gα to dissociate from Gβ and Gγ (the other subunits of the G protein) and enables signalling of Gα through a series of pathways including the cAMP and phosphatidylinositol pathways. In turn, signalling through these pathways is understood to induce the downstream activity of transient receptor protein (TRP) channels including the capsaicin receptor (TRPV1), which causes a flood of calcium ions into the intracellular space, resulting in the activation of calcium/calmodulin dependent protein kinase-II (CAMKII) and thus the phosphorylation of CREB (a transcription factor). CREB then induces a series of transcriptional events.


    Over 6000 papers have been published regarding the efficacy of PBM in treating a great number of ailments, promoting wound healing and reducing inflammation -> blue light therapy is there too.

    If half of your most important light at sunrise is blue, tell me why you believe it's "bad" for you.

    The question you may want to ask is: What are you trying to treat?

    Of the EMF-Tek products, the https://emr-tek.com/collections/red-light-therapy/products/firestorm uses the same lights as the https://emr-tek.com/collections/red-light-therapy/products/firehawk
    The power density of one is greater than the other.

    Both provide
    • Spectrum(Wavelengths): (630nm-20%(orange-red)+660nm20%+670nm-20%(red)+830/850nm-40%(near-infrared)
    • The COB design of both creates greater light coherence. Rather than a typical 120 angle LED lens of most devices, the COB focuses angle of light to 60 degrees, which means it will penetrate deeper into tissue at higher rates of mW/cm^2 because of less diffusion.
    So why is this important, the EMF-TEK Firestorm & Firehawk provide a good general therapeutic potential for the body.

    Products like the MyElle are specific photobiomodulation therapeutic devices with specific application with clinical study(s) data outcomes.

    Please check out https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/1900-links-for-pbm-studies.26673/
    which Dr. @Jack Kruse started. I've been adding posts to that thread.

    Transvaginal Photobiomodulation for the Treatment of Chronic Pelvic Pain: A Pilot Study
    Ultraviolet A/blue light-emitting diode therapy for vulvovaginal candidiasis
    Blue light: Friend or foe ?
    Understanding light is important: Blue lights can induce beneficial and adverse effects, depending on the dose and on the spectrum width of the exposure.

    Given this information -> What dose of blue with red (as in the MyElle design) is therapeutic?
    Answer -> 5 minutes every 3 days for 3 months shows lasting improvements in all symptoms including: vaginal prolapse & SUI​
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2022
  10. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

  11. Last edited: Feb 15, 2022
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  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Generally I agree.
    Specifically Shelly is in good place to look for the actual sunlight in her place, no need for artificial light. Central Florida.

    Additionally I would look for a room in the home with southern exposure.
    Put bed by the window, open windows from 10am to 3pm
    Lay on the bed, let the sun see the best part of your body.

    I have our bedroom in that kind of situation, and use it the way I described.
    Love is at least 2x better when sun looks at it.

    Last edited: Feb 15, 2022
  13. Well, well - just look at her profession. 5G wireless routers spread throughout her work space, meetings with everyone engaged in texting over their 5G devices. Just take a simple https://safelivingtechnologies.com/products/safe-and-sound-pro-ii-rf-meter.html around the offices she manages, and you will find extremely "dangerous" nnEMF coming from the printers, network closets, not to mention the key boards, hard drives, etc., etc.

    Even if she'd rap herself in silver clothe, there is no fabric available to mitigate this assault. Unless I can be proven otherwise, it is a living hell.

    And she is only complaining about a prolapse issue, not bad...

  14. 3 months not 3 years. i also had lots of white spots that I assume was where the melanin was dysfunctional that disappeared and the skin is now working as advertised.
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  15. Thank you for the clarity.

    I read: ”In November 2019 we went to Ecuador. ... spent 3 months driving, looking, taking EMF readings, enjoying life, getting sun, doing tons of CT and conscientiously trying to get as much sun and vit d as possible. I would wear a tankini shirt, bare skin much of the day, and always shorts and tee-shirts. UV 15-17. I got tested and couldn't believe my vit d was still low, 32. …
    12 hours of awesome light and 12 hours of awesome darkness. ... My vitamin d went up to 72.”
    Last edited: Feb 15, 2022
  16. ShellyFM

    ShellyFM Gold + Recovering night owl and blue light addict!

    I actually work remotely out of my home with a hard wired setup not requiring wireless. Even my phone is hard wired and in airplane mode when I work and most of the time. I have a Safe and Sound Pro II meter for checking RF and a Trifield TF2 for checking EF and MF. We have pretty great levels for the most part and have worked really hard to achieve them.
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  17. Well done ;)
  18. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    At home, by your computer, make two arrangements.
    Standing and sitting.
    Put the Firestorm on the floor.

    Have a pair of long pants with butt cut out.
    Also cover your feet.
    Now lets think of exposure time.
    To start with,
    Have two half hour sessions a day. Two weeks latter check for any skin problems.
    If skin is ok, for the next two week do four half hour sessions.
    And so on.
    Until you find some itching, then slow down or stop for two weeks and back off with time.

    Observe your skin, and think about it.
    (I have burned my left forehead (before I really realized) that it was burned.
    Burn from red light is different than from UV (where the skin pees quickly and it is easy to know about it.
    Lamp is hot.
    Get a fan, also decrease AC temperature.
    Possibly dedicated AC for the area.
    This type of (transparent chairs) you can get here:
    Cut out more holes in the chair if need or possible.




    Do the same with Red Sperti.
    But start with no more that 5 minutes daily.


    IR-A light preconditions the skin for UV absorption.

    Last edited: Feb 16, 2022
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  19. If she's working from home, she could stand over the FireStorm with just a dress on. She could still take video conference meetings. Other than a strong red light coming up from under her, those on the other end of the call would just think there's something "wrong" with the lighting...
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