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Omega 3/6 ratio

Discussion in 'Cold Thermogenesis' started by PattyLA, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. PattyLA

    PattyLA New Member

    I have followed the GAPS diet for over 2 years. I don't consume "vegetable oils". I eat wild caught oily fish 1-4x a week. I take fermented cold liver oil daily. I eat grassfed beef and pastured chicken. I started the leptin reset in late Nov of '11



    I also happen to have chronic lyme disease. My latest cd57 was 29.



    I am trying to do CT but just drinking ice water is giving me terrible brain freeze. My face turns white after 2 min in the ice water and I get brain freeze from that too.



    Why is my omega 3/6 ratio off with this kind of diet? Does inflammation use up omega 3's rapidly? I'm going to add more fish oil to my regimen but is there something else that may be making it hard for me to absorb those omega 3's? OR am I probably just using them up much faster than I am taking them in.



    I have terrible brain fog now that the weather is warming up here. I iced my belly and that helped the brain fog but now I have a bad headache.



    Can anyone help?
     
  2. kkcarlton

    kkcarlton New Member

    Hi Patty,



    I have chronic Lyme too (CD57 was 20) and I am waiting on my O6/O3 test kit to come in. Did you actually get yours tested?



    ~k
     
  3. AKMan

    AKMan New Member

    I have been trying for 2 years to get my doc to test mine, he just poo-poos me. I have heard it can take years to change (although CT may change that). If mine came back bad, I can't really think of anything I would change. I eat no veg oil or PUFA in general except krill and fish oil. Maybe one day I'll break down and do an on-line test.
     
  4. Evo Mama

    Evo Mama New Member

    You didn't mention seafood? Have you been eating a lot of it? It might help with the CT.



    Are you overweight? I think that might make adjusting you ratios more difficult because of all the O6 that's likely trapped in the fat.



    Best of luck to you on your journey to optimal!
     
  5. Martin

    Martin Gold

    PattyLA, what is your ratio? I would think the only way to know for sure is to start testing. I had no clue where I was even after eating mostly Weston Price-inspired foods for nearly five years - grass-fed, local, raw dairy, etc. Not much fish until recently. I was pleasantly surprised to finally test and get my ratio - 4.1 to 1!!!!! Where's that bucket o' cold water?!



    I had bad illness episode three years ago and suspected Lyme, but did not present many of the neuro symptoms. My CD57 was 60. All I knew was that it nailed me BAD. I have not been the same since and it drove me to Kruse's site. I found Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker thru Kruse's site and tested my DNA susceptibility to mold, Lyme, etc and discover that I have mold and low alpha MSH genes. Mold, as it turns out, has been my nemesis. And the low aMSH explains my lifelong struggle. Makes me think about all those old houses I worked on with my restoration business in Atlanta!



    My house tested off the charts and I'm in the middle of remediation as I write this. As soon as it is cleared of contamination, I'm starting CT and then seeing a great mold doc in Atlanta to start clearing the biotoxins. Finally! After so many years of suffering! A way through!



    I don't like to spend money or go to doctors, but all that changed when I saw the pathway that Drs. Shoemaker and Kruse are showing us. I started testing. I see the way out now. I'm spending the kids inheritance to get optimal. No more guessing, wondering and wishing.



    Martin
     
  6. Claudia

    Claudia New Member


    Good for you Martin. Best wishes getting to Optimal. I have been eating WAP style for 10 years, the past 2 Paleo (gave up even soaked grains). I am thinking I also don't have a bad o6/o3 ratio but I recently got cold urticaria (hives) from my CT session in cold bath with ziplock bag filled with ice cubes. I was in the bath for 20 minutes (had worked my way from cold showers 5 minutes to cold baths 5-15 minutes). The hives only appeared where the bag of ice had been, my torso and my neck. I'm better now. I don't like to go to doctors either but I am finally going to one I found on paleophysician network and hoping I'll get all the tests done to find out more about what's going on with me. I suspect hypothyroid. I keep gaining weight without changing my eating and eating so clean and it's getting scary.
     
  7. PattyLA

    PattyLA New Member

    Huh I replied but I don't see it now.

    I am 15-20 lbs overweight. My health crashed 2 years ago. I was an ideal weight at that time but gained the weight over the next 6 months or so. It goes up or down by 5 lbs but doesn't move more than that.



    I have not gotten my ratio tested. I probably should do that next. Is there another reason to be so sensitive to cold? I still have the headache that I got several hours ago from drinking ice water.



    I eat salmon 1-2x a week. Sardines and shrimp a few times a month. I've got a MTHFR mutation that makes it hard to detox so I don't want to overload my body with mercury.



    I don't care about optimal. I just want to be able to go to the zoo with my kids. Or read a book and actually remember what I have read.
     
  8. KiwiLauren

    KiwiLauren Gold


    Dr K has said that seafood contains the antidote to mercury (selenium) so not to worry... and you want 50%+ of your protein coming from seafood if possible. He has also suggested that Krill Oil helps cold adaptation.



    I'd also look at the Leaky Gut Rx protocol and marry that to the Leptin RX.
     
  9. healthnut

    healthnut New Member

    I've heard some contraversy over the optimal 6 to 3 ratio. My last test was 2.7 to 1. According to Genova Labs NutrEval reference range, they would like to see a 6 to 1 ratio. I've heard in some circles 1:1 is optimal. Get's confusing! The body does need some inflammation to repair, so I think the 1:1 ratio is likely not the ticket.
     
  10. Garfield

    Garfield New Member

    Dr. K says the optimal ratio for a cold adapted person is 4:1. (The range is 2:1 to 6:1 with 4:1 being right in the middle.)
     
  11. PattyLA

    PattyLA New Member


    I was thinking that this was something that was checked in the Genova NutrEval. I'm going to get that done soon so then I will know. Great.
     
  12. PattyLA

    PattyLA New Member


    Yes he mentions the GAPS diet that I have been following for more than 2 years in that post. With my mthfr mutation I don't feel comfortable getting 50% of my diet from sea food (not to mention that I couldn't possibly afford it). Selenium isn't the whole story. He also says for people with leaky guts to avoid mercury.
     
  13. optimeyes

    optimeyes New Member


    This is the recommended place to get the o6/o3 ratio done? Thanks!
     
  14. So I hope I'm not introducing more confusion on this topic, but I have been a wee bit confused on the PUFA sections of the CT posts. I still need to go back and re-read to see if I can straighten myself out. Currently my thoughts are that more O6 in the membrane is the signal/cumulative result of the "harvest" and with the onset of "winter" the dark and cold triggers the reversal of O6 to O3 in the cell membranes. O3s are needed in the membrane because cold temps require more membrane flexibility. So when we CT we are trying to trigger the winter/hibernation biochemical pathway in the body that decreases O6 and increases O3. Kind of a seasonal garbage collection. Since the benefit of the switch to O3 was escaping me, so I googled and found this interesting article:



    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/6/1913.full





    "....The data indicate that dietary (n-3) PUFA are capable of profoundly altering the composition of phospholipids that constitute lipid rafts in T-cell plasma membrane...reducing T cell signalling.....Dietary fish oil, containing (n-3) PUFA, has been shown to suppress human T-cell function via reductions in the secretion of interleukin-2, the primary autocrine and paracrine T-cell growth factor...."



    Reduced immune activation is important for those of us with AI issues.



    Any thoughts?
     
  15. shilohman

    shilohman New Member

    WeAreDevo,



    Here is what Dr. K has to say about fish oil supplementation from his fish oil blog. To sum it up,

    use your diet to bring your omega 6/3 ratio to where you want, then fine tune with fish oil.



     
  16. Vicster

    Vicster New Member


    Shilohman, thanks for this reminder from Dr. K. There are so many on this forum and MDA that aggressively supplement with fish oil instead of adjusting the diet and like he says this could cause problems.
     
  17. SimonM

    SimonM New Member

    Thanks shilohman - just what I was looking for.



    I just had my blood spot test results back from Gene Smart - took just under a week, including a weekend.

    Pleased to find my 06:3 ratio is 2.2 to 1.

    HS-Omega 3 Index (amount of 03s in red blood cells) is 12.3% – way over “desirable" range.
     
  18. hellojtm

    hellojtm New Member


    How did you get to these levels Simon? Just food? Supplementing? Strict avoidance of all grains, seeds, nuts and associated oils? Or not strict?



    jesse
     
  19. SimonM

    SimonM New Member

    It is probably mainly down to supplementation. High DHA fish oil in particular. My wife says we have more supplements in the house than actual food :)



    I'm low, almost no-grain - having evolved that way gradually after first getting rid of wheat, then a period of gluten-free substitutes. I am wary of seeds. I eat nuts and nut butters. I eat meat, fish, eggs and so on. On reflection I am pretty careful about the oils I use, so that must help. At one time my diet seemed to me mainly canned tuna, mayonnaise and rye crispbreads :eek: Once I recovered from that, I started looking at the oils I was using and changed those from canola, sunflower, safflower and all those to coconut oil for cooking, olive oil for cold stuff, butter or ghee if I am having a rare carb-fest with rice cakes.
     
  20. maggie

    maggie New Member

    I thought Dr. K said recently that a 4:1 ratio is ideal for land mammals, lower is for sea mammals but not for us. Anyone else recall this statement from the doc?
     

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