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Mystery hand disease: fluoroquinolone damage / scleroderma?

Discussion in 'Ask Jack' started by Marianne Bland, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Hi Dr. Kruse, my husband has been suffering from an extremely painful hand condition for the past 7 yrs that we suspect may be fluoroquinolone associated disability or scleroderma, but doctors have no diagnosis for him except for Raynaud’s and Dupuytren’s disease (which is not supposed to be painful). His hands haven’t closed fully for several years, yet Dupuytren’s pulls the fingers towards the palm. He has two pounds of strength per hand. All of these symptoms spiraled after he got an antiobiotic shot that caused him to pass out.

    We found you because he’s sensitive to EMF (we moved to escape 5G) plus fragrances, has chronic fatigue, and has lots of other symptoms like faintness upon standing plus overall tendon tightness and less flexibility. We avoid blue light at night, he suns daily, does grounding in the forest, we eat paleo with seafood, strict organic, yet he’s lost over 40 lbs over the past couple years. We just returned from visiting Dr. Tennant in Texas (he also feels it could be antibiotic related) and we’d be willing to come to your healing program once it’s up.

    This article described how fluoroquinolone antibiotics can damage mitochondrial DNA and included mention of redox and charge of the cells: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5632915/ He has low potassium, sodium and magnesium which could be related to the Na/K pump and the way people with this damage generate extra ROS during ATP generation.

    This leads me to ask if you might be open to us sending you his 23andme raw data to analyze redox and maybe get a recommendation from you on what we can do differently to help him and if you have any ideas about what’s going on with him. We’d be happy to send more information if you want. Really hoping you have some hope for a desperate situation. Thanks.
  2. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    His 23andme raw data is not the answer to redox issues. How electrons and protons can or cannot move in his mitochondria are the issue.
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  3. DockMD

    DockMD That’s the reason why

    where do you live
  4. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Fluoroquinolones have fluoride........fluoride is a dielectric blocker for water and this lowers how much light can be stored in the hydrogen bonding networks of water to run redox reactions in cells. This is where you need to begin.

    The Biophysics of Fluoride by Neurosurgeon Dr. Jack Kruse https://youtu.be/YxerfsaEPYs
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  5. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    He have likely attempted supplementation.
    How did that went?
  6. Hi, yes we have attempted lots of supplements. Using Doc Wallach’s Youngevity product for years, with no results. Just switched to
    Dr Jerry Tennant - charging battery packs protocol, which includes an extensive list of supplements, including mag, potassium. We cook w/ Himalayan salt as well. Even getting the body appropriate nourishment with good food and supplements and enzymes, he has major scarring in his hands which will need to be reduced for future mobility. We are also focusing on water, light and magnetism; we use a magnetico mattress pad at night.
  7. Northern California
  8. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    How about if you ask @DrEttinger for opinion.
    He posted example of someone that may need huge potassium supplementation.
    (Instead of something like 100mg/day the 1200mg/day was need)



    Last edited: Jun 19, 2019
  9. DockMD

    DockMD That’s the reason why

    ^^^ don't take that much potassium without supervision of an M.D.
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  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  11. Hi Dr. Kruse, thanks for your reply. We've watched the video about fluoride and have already taken measures to avoid it in our water (drinking and showering) and doing our best to avoid it in food; what now? If pain = lack of electrons and the issue is "how electrons and protons can or cannot move in his mitochondria", what can we do to improve this? My husband has resisted taking any pharmaceuticals for the past 7 years, but his pain in his hands is very severe and I need to uncover what the root cause is and how we can address it. I'm not sure how much more of it he can take.
  12. Thank you JanSz; we are about to get a new panel of bloodwork done, so perhaps we can start there.
  13. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Iodine would likely have been fourth leg of a stool if @Jack Kruse decided to make four legged stool.

    Iodine is halide
    similar to other halides

    You get the other halides from everywhere.
    Iodine (vital) is in short supply.

    You can hardly over supplement iodine.

  14. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Just be careful with iodine. Detox can be really bad.. you might hurt yourself if you do not know
    what you are doing, so read up on it about very well (as it with everything!) it before trying it, especially if you are ill.

    I love Iodine and use it myself, but I did have some pretty hard halide-detox in the beginning even if I am pretty healthy... so be careful :)
  15. Pebbles

    Pebbles Gold

    Look for adduct test - this proves the fluoroquinolone leftover in the lymphocyte mitochondria. As a floxi myself, I would read all here on forum, blogs and linked in posts and not push w supplementation.... FQ make adducts and at apoptosis travel w exosomes and search for another cell to destroy ( topoisomerase inhibitors II and IV) and you have the fluoride as well.... So some symptoms might disappear and others appear with time.... Take a long tropical vacation and avoid doctors - sorry, those lurking here are exceptions.
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  16. Try this salt instead of HImalayan. I remember Jack saying Himalayan is like eating a rock, might have flouride in it.
  17. Hi Inger, my husband took iodine for awhile but then we scaled back. Things might be worse since; can you describe what your halide-detox symptoms were and what kind of iodine supplementation you recommend? My guess is the best bet is to get as much as possible from seafood and sea vegetables but we've had him off of it for at least a month now. Thank you for your reply.
  18. Hello Pebbles, thank you for responding. I'm sorry to hear you are also a floxie; but I have to say as far as I can tell this is the best match for his symptoms though we still do not have a diagnosis. I have researched adduct testing but I can't figure out how to go about this; is this something we can request from a primary care physician, a home test, or something a neurologist, rheumatologist or other specialist would order? Are you saying to avoid all supplementation? I would love to take him on a tropical vacation but he is so weak and literally wasting away in front of me. He has lost 25 lbs within the past 6 months despite us giving him plenty of nutritious food. He also experiences gastroparesis (more with water than with food, paradoxically), and other symptoms like POTS, depression, eye floaters, etc. We do get sunlight for him most mornings / days, we use an expensive fluoride-removal system for our water. We just started using zeolite hoping it might help remove some of the fluoride.

    What have you done to improve? What were your primary symptoms? We are so desperate for help, I would really appreciate any additional advice or insight you can provide, especially since you are coming from a similar situation. Thanks again.
  19. Hi Christine, which salt is that? I don't see a link or anything in your post but if himalayan salt may include fluoride then we definitely need to change. Thanks for your help.
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  20. Pebbles

    Pebbles Gold

    I have many symptoms and still struggle after 5 years - for sure these will stay fore-ever. The adduct test is a genetic test private, not available w usual docs. The connections in case of floxies are way beyond doctors comprehend ...... always think the weirdest possible with any symptom:((

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