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Discussion in 'Optimal Labs' started by Eddie Garza, Apr 29, 2015.

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  1. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member


    I will be seeing my doctor in the next week or so. I will discuss the HCG with the doctor. Thanks
  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Just FYI, many doctors, most doctors, practically almost all doctors,
    do not appreciate HCG function within Steroid Hormonal Therapy.

    It is likely that you will have difficulty to get script for HCG.
    Even if you get script, depending on your insurance, you may pay more then buying it over internet without scripts.
    Same goes for insulin syringes and Bacteriostatic Water that you will need.
    Likely, getting sterile vials from pharmacy may be over their ability to supply.
    They may be sending you to hospital or other places.
    Bottom line.
    It is easier and cheaper to go internet route.

    you will need HCG in both possibilities that are facing you.
    Without testosterone and
    with testosterone.
    5 Ampoules 10000iu
    US$ 144.90

    One 10000iu vial will last you 10 weeks or slightly more.
    there is also shipping cost.

    Compare your local price to this.

    Last edited: Aug 10, 2015
  3. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Hi JanSz. When you say HCG, do you mean "human chorionic gonadotropin"? It's made from placentas, right?
    Does the HCG have to be injected? Are there any other options. I am not a fan of needles. How big are those needles. I don't know if I could give myself an injection.
  4. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    HCG is used by some anti aging docs to raise testosterone
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  5. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    The needles should be smallest available.
    I use 31Ga 5/16" long for HCG and testosterone oil (if indicated).

    Fun have nothing to do with using injections or not using them.
    Use when need, do not use unless indicated.

    HCG = "human chorionic gonadotropin"

    there is also rHCG = Ovidrel
    recombined HCG,

  6. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Thanks JanSz. Is Andro Gel something worth using?
  7. Bill1

    Bill1 New Member

    Dr. Abraham Morgentaler MD - is a respected doc in the field of Test. More than 25 year of research - he concludes Test levels of 1200 are safe and healthy. His work in the field of test is worth reading.

  8. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Using any type of testosterone supplementation will suppress LH & FSH,
    as consequence your testicles and scrotum will shrink to nothing.
    I have been thru this, trying to save you this experience.

    At this time we know that your pituitary is slow.
    Properly working pituitary would have keept your LH & FSH higher then your test results indicate.
    Hopefully that would have caused your testicles to produce more testosterone then you have now.

    I think that you should not be deprived from trying this option.
    Adding HCG (only) would clarify your status.

    You are not loosing anything but may find out that just HCG maybe all you need.

    Assuming that HCG only is not enough,
    I think, that you should keep HCG and add testosterone.

    I suggest that it will be injectable testosterone enanthare or cypionate, 200mg/mL
    Weekly dose divided in half and injected at the same time as HCG, twice/week.
    You would aim at TT=TotalTestosterone to be within 600-1000ng/dL
    Other than proper blood tests, main indicators would be erection any breast sensitivity and blood hemoglobin.

    Main driver of good erections are optimal levels of DHT and E2.
    Some minimum level of testosterone is also need, but not as much as is usually thought of.
    Also one can easily overdo on DHT when using transdermal testosterone, specially that it is rarely tested.

    Among people who are low on TotalTestosterone,
    few people can get help using HCG,
    most people can get optimal using HCG and injectable testosterone,
    few people need HCG and transdermal testosterone.

    I currently use HCG, injectable testosterone and minimal amounts of transdermal T.

    When starting on self injections, it is good idea to:
    use very small needle
    inject around navel.

    Last edited: Aug 11, 2015
  9. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Thanks JanSz. I will get back to you on what I will be moving forward with. Let me get my lab test back and also the Fatty Acid Profile before I move forward. I appreciate all you do. Best regards
  10. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Thanks Dr. Kruse. Best regards.
  11. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Thanks Bill. I appreciate your contributions.
  12. Bill1

    Bill1 New Member

    you can look into using homeopathic remedies for hormone support. A company called DesBio produces some of the best homeopathic solutions. The formulas they make have the full "chord" ie 12x 6x 30x ect .... If you body needs test the solution will make your body produce more test. If you make too much - the solution will cleanse you of excess. Homeopathics help the body find it's own sweet spot. They make test, pituaitary HGH, cortisol, ect...

    you can look into taking supplemental testicles - "glandulars" solutions have been used for over 100 years - it's just ground up testicles in a pill form. Most health food stores should carry them. By consuming testicles in a pill form - your own testicles will get the natural support they need. Most men will report their testicles gain size, shape and function improves. You could get your testicles to be about the size of a kiwi - plump & healthy.
  13. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Hi Bill, Thanks for posting that information. I will look into that. I think one of the contributing factors to my hormone issues is the mercury toxicity that I have. I also may have lead toxicity. I am working on a plan to address this, in addition to incorporating the recommendations Jan has suggested. Again thanks and I will research your suggestions. In regard to the testicle size, mine are actually quite large, probably larger than average. They just may not be doing their job at the moment. My low T levels go back years. It's not a recent thing. I wish there was a "Magic" pill that would cure all that ails me. Best regards, Eddie
  14. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    EG.01.jpg EG1.jpg Jan, I have attached my Fatty Acid Profile test results. Please let me know what I have to do to rectify the "Out of Range" items. Thank you.
  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    On the picture below, top panel contains all your Fatty acid analysis results, presented in the format that try to replicate dr Patricia Kane analysis.
    At this time I do not know how to brake them into (burn it), (build it), (balance it), (indexes) categories.
    The first three may be somewhat guessed, but I would appreciate help with the Index category.

    Middle panel contain yours omega3 and omega6

    Bottom panel contain omega3 and omega6 with assumption that all are in mid range, the assumed ideal value.
    This assumption follows Patricia Kane approach to this type evaluation.
    I may change that if new information becomes available.

    Spreadsheet %Status
    Whole range=100%
    acceptable=+-25% (green)
    excess or deficiency of > or < 25% (yellow)
    excess or deficiency of > or < 50% (red)

    Note that:
    #1---excess of any kind of omega3 will suppress Omega6, specially AA, Arachidonic Acid (which is critically important)
    #2---excess of Omega6 WILL NOT suppress omega3
    #3---LA-Omega6 =(parent oil) all other Omega6 are down-metabolites of LA
    #4---ALA-Omega3 =(parent oil) all other Omega3 are down-metabolites of ALA
    #5---it is critical to have sufficient amount of AA, Arachidonic Acid
    #6---metabolization of fatty acids happens with assistance of desaturases and elongases, they in turn depend heavily on micronutrients. Status of those micronutrients can be evaluated on a wholesale basis using Spectracel test.

    About beneficial Fatty Acid 4:1 ratio
    About Omega6/Omega3 beneficial 4:1 ratio

    I think that we should seek information
    but at this time my understanding is that those ratios are meant for desirable diet and not for blood test result.
    Additionally it is not about some general unspecified Omega3 or Omega6, but specifically about eating four parts of LA to one part of ALA
    LA = Linoleic Acid, C18:2w6
    ALA = a-Linolenic Acid, C18 : 3 w3
    That 4:1 ratio was found to be beneficial by Shlomo Yehuda.

    You have
    ideal ALA
    almost ideal DHA
    missing half of EPA & DPA
    too much LA
    missing half of the rest of omega6

    I suggest that you do not change your diet much,
    possibly add 6 whole eggs/week hoping to get some direct AA
    add one can of sardines or one small salmon steak/week hoping to nudge up EPA.

    You may be supplying sufficient amount of LA just not converting it as you should (missing micronutrients).
    Speed up your Spectracell test to find out.
    After you make corrections per Spectracell test (12 months, another testing at 6 months and 12 months), if you are still not converting properly, you will have to lessen on dietary LA and use GLA supplementation, (Evening Primrose oil). Possibly also supplemental AA.


    Last edited: Aug 14, 2015
  16. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Hi Jan, thank you for taking a look at the FA Profile. I am currently at work and will read your reply this evening. Thanks again and I appreciate your help.
  17. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Jan, I have attached the micronutrient test. They had emailed it to me last week, but had gone to my junk folder. Best regards

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  18. fitness@home

    fitness@home Silver


    I noted you are "Borderline" on many of your B Vitamins. I take Thorne Research Methyl-Guard Plus, but Thorne also offers other formulations with all the Bs included.
  19. Eddie Garza

    Eddie Garza New Member

    Hi Fitness@home, I am currently taking the Thorne B-Complex and also taking the Jarrow Formulas Methylcobalamin (Methyl B12), 2000mcg daily. I've been supplementing with these two items since June 1st. My blood levels for B-12 was 659, reference range: 211-946, pg/mL. This was done in May before beginning supplementing. Maybe it's not getting into the cells properly. Thank you for your comments. Best regards.
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2015
  20. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    As you see there will be transition period.
    This example underlines importance of keeping very steady supplementation schedule.
    June 1
    date of blood collection for Spectracell test was 7/24/15

    I suggest that you make a list of everything, all supplements and medicines that you are taking.
    Post names, where you are buying it, doses, more info is better.

    Another way to approach this transition period is to drop everything except those items that you are missing.

    Note that you are taking now Methylcobalamin but Spectracell want two items

    Methylcobalamin and adenosylcobalamin.

    On page #3 you have a list of what they want you to take.

    Last edited: Aug 14, 2015
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