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Inger's journal

Discussion in 'My Optimal Journal' started by Inger, Mar 25, 2013.

  1. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK Gold

    This might interest you. https://livingnow.com.au/silica-straight-and-narrow-flies-arrow/

    Drinking a silica rich mineral water is the easiest way to hack it, and I'd choose that over a supplement any day. The water contains it in the ‘orthosilicic
    acid’ form mentioned at the supplements section. At 61 I got a lovely :rolleyes: batch of spots on my face and neck when I first used it, so silica's motto of "better out than in" seems appropriate. :DThen I'm not suggesting you eat grains, or drink milk, but a seasonal epi paleo plan that includes the skins of seasonal fruit and veg could be worth looking at. It may get you to a place where the Inger blue zone diet is doable. :)
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  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

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  3. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    Thanks for the excerpt from unnamed book. Contents list looks very interesting, aye.

    In our RF/MW saturated city environments these days I mostly notice how so many people in public present wan, peaked faces with little expression. I always thought this is primarily due to electosmog effects on these poor souls. It appears to my perception that they are prematurely aging right now and sadly it shows.
  4. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    That book has a name:



    Last edited: Feb 14, 2020
  5. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Poor vets where I work. I was there today working and lady vet was a little desperate as so many people have called them.. because of the movie. Seems quite some people have been able to recognize where it is because of seeing their garden/bit of house. And she gave me a number from a Film studio that wanted me to contact them.
    They also had called my cellphone and asked me to call back for some filming stuff.
    I wrote them an email. Not sure what to do.
    If they give me some more time to tell what I do and some nicer looking food prep(not gulping down whole raw liver on the street) I might do it...:D

    I was buying some stuff today for the vets and the lady that helped me out in the shop looked at me.. and said, whew.. you was in TV?! I saw you! You had a fishheadsmoothie!!! I agreed and we had a long talk.. she was really kind though.
    Hmm this is kind of weird. I am now the fishheadsmoothie.lady.... :rofl:...:rofl:
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  6. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Of all the raw liver and fish head eating women that I know, I think you deserve to have a little fun with this all.
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  7. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Johan, I bet donating blood is great if you have too much iron, even if you train.... :)
    But you might want to go test ferritine before you start donating..... it is better to be sure, not that you are deficient ;) I do not think so though. At least not if you have been eating lots of red meat last years. You might as well have too much.
    My liver are starting to feel better, yay :) I am pretty sure I am on the right track :) :)

    I had tons of organic black sesame seeds...ojojoj I grinded them fresh and added a tiny amount of honey ans some drops of water.. and made some sort of halvah. man it is addicting!! I bought it a few days ago because it has high copper(needed to mobilize iron), and should also be great for liver health...
    I also got me fresh mussels, also high in copper. Oysters would be best but I cant harvest them right now, water is too high because of storms. So I need to grab other good tings :)
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  8. Inger

    Inger Silver

    you need to find the natural diet that is best for you in your situation right now.. and that needs quite some investigation sometimes to figure out details... there are so many factors involved. You can do it! Just listen to your body, and always do the basic stuff we learn on this site. Also blood test etc are a great help.
    Are you living in Germany too? Where are your ancestors from?
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  9. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    That fishheadsmoothie's too barbaric for me and raw liver makes me squint at thought. :p

    I mean we should enjoy what we eat no? Fish cheeks and eyes taste great btw, just not pulverized fish head bones!
  10. Inger

    Inger Silver

    I do not care how medicine taste. It is not ment to taste good ;)
    And the movie does not give a right picture of my eating habits really, I do enjoy my food too a lot, and do not eat tons of raw liver and fishheadsmoothies like that LOL you cant eat tons of medicine it will kill you :D

    I no way could ever through away the beautiful fish head after eating the herring or mackerel raw. I do not like to cook fatty fish. Its fatty acids are so vulnerable.
    And that is how I started to make the fish head smoothies, just to use up the heads and not having to throw them out. I cant chew on the whole, no way. Kudos to you if you can :)
    And so I experienced the good feeling that smoothie goves me, and decided it was a good idea for me to do :)

    I cant do them too often because to me it feels like it activates the thyroid/adrenals too much. Once a week or so is great :)
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  11. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    I assume that in fish heads, eyes and brains are the most valuable elements of nutrition vise.

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  12. Inger

    Inger Silver

    This was an interesting read too;


    Dietary Iron Control

    Various dietary practices can help control iron levels. In a relatively short period of time, dietary changes can result in anemia, iron overload or an ideal state of iron control. Anemia can be induced in about 120 days, while symptoms of iron overload can come on in just 60 days.

    Humans absorb only a fraction of the iron they consume, but there are many controlling factors.20 Iron absorption rates from food vary widely, from less than 1 percent to nearly 100 percent.21 Cooks who use iron or stainless steel pots increase the amount of iron they consume.22 Generally, iron in plant foods is not as well absorbed as iron from meat: Only 5 percent of iron in plant foods is available, vs. 30 to 50 percent of iron from meat.23 Olive oil and spices such as anise, caraway, cumin, licorice and mint promote iron absorption,24 while antacids, eggs and soy reduce availability.25 Since dairy products contain lactoferrin, milk also inhibits the absorption of iron.26 Moderate alcohol consumption is unlikely to pose a problem with iron absorption, but excessive amounts of alcohol is associated with iron overload, particularly in adult males.27

    Vitamin C also increases iron absorption.28 However, there is no evidence that vitamin C leads to iron overload. Thus vitamin C should not be avoided by meat-eaters for this reason, since studies show high-dose vitamin C supplements are associated with a decreased risk for heart disease, cancer, cataracts and other disorders.29 A vegetarian diet does not generally cause iron-deficiency anemia because there is more vitamin C in plant-food diets, which enhances absorption.30

    A 1982 human study was conducted to assess the effect of various drinks on iron absorption. A subject ate a standard meal of a hamburger, string beans, mashed potatoes and water. When green tea was drunk instead of water, iron absorption was reduced by 62 percent. Coffee reduced iron absorption by 35 percent, whereas orange juice (as a source of vitamin C) increased absorption by 85 percent. Contrary to other studies, milk and beer had no significant effect.31

    Bioflavonoids (found in berries, coffee, green tea, pine bark, quercetin and the rind of citrus fruits, particularly blueberry, cranberry, elderberry and grape seed) and phytic acid (a component of whole grains and seeds such as sesame) bind to iron and other minerals in the gastric tract and help to limit iron availability. If bioflavonoids and phytic acid haven't bound to minerals in the digestive tract they will get into the bloodstream, where they can bind to free iron, acting as blood-cleansing iron chelators. Therefore, maximum iron chelation in the blood circulation is achieved when these iron binders are consumed apart from meals.

    Phytic acid--also called inositol hexaphosphate, or IP6--is comprised of six phosphorus molecules and one molecule of inositol. It has been mistakenly described for decades as an "anti-nutrient" because it impairs mineral absorption. However, in the 1980s food biochemist Ernst Graf, Ph.D., began to tout phytic acid for its beneficial antioxidant properties achieved through mineral chelation.32

    Phytic acid in foods or bran should be distinguished from supplemental phytic acid, which is derived from rice bran extract. In foods, phytic acid binds to iron and other minerals in the digestive tract and may interfere with mineral absorption. As a purified extract of rice bran, taken between meals so it will not bind to minerals in the digestive tract, phytic acid is readily absorbed into the bloodstream, where it acts as a potent mineral chelator.33 Phytic acid binds to any free iron or other minerals (even heavy metals such as mercury, lead and cadmium) in the blood, which are then eliminated through the kidneys. Phytic acid removes only excess or unbound minerals, not mineral ions already attached to proteins.

    Phytic acid is such a potent--but safe--iron and mineral chelator that it may someday replace intravenous chelation therapy such as the mineral-chelator EDTA or iron-binding drugs such as desferrioxamine (Desferal). Because of its ability to bind to iron and block iron-driven hydroxyl radical generation (water-based) as well as suppress lipid peroxidation (fat-based), phytic acid has been used successfully as an antioxidant food preservative.34

    Phytic acid supplements should not be taken during pregnancy since the developing fetus requires minerals for proper development. Because aspirin causes a small loss of blood and consequently helps to control iron levels, the simultaneous use of phytic acid with a daily aspirin tablet is not advised. A three-month course of phytic acid should achieve adequate iron chelation, and prolonged daily supplementation may lead to iron-deficiency anemia. Anemic individuals who take phytic acid as a food supplement are likely to feel weak shortly after consumption, whereas iron-overloaded individuals are likely to feel increased energy.

    For those at risk for iron overload, it may be wise to avoid iron in multivitamins and shun fortified foods that provide more than 25 percent of the recommended daily intake for iron. No doctor should prescribe iron tablets for patients who complain of fatigue without blood tests and a thorough health history. Iron-rich foods such as red meat and molasses may prevent anemia and build strength during the growing years but in adulthood may lead to iron overload among men and postmenopausal women. Those individuals who learn how to achieve iron balance will maintain the most desirable state of health throughout life.
  13. Inger

    Inger Silver


    Jacks blog about iron overload. Great stuff!

    I did read it in 2012 as he posted it (man the time goes fast) but I never thought that this would actually affect me... and then my ancestors are Vikings! How did I not think about that... wow. It is so easy to be ignorant and lazy and just do something because you like it and it is easy (my excess raw meat consumption).

    A friend of mine that lived in France for many years, and had anemia, told me yesterday that her doctor in France told her she have to start eating raw meat - and it must be raw because that is how the iron is mostly bio-available....
    In France raw meat is common on the menu as tartar etc.

    When I start eating a little raw meat again (maybe after I donate blood for the second time, next moth) I will always add some raw cheese to the recipe. Some restaurants add Comte ( delicious raw cheese) to their beef tartar. Or Parmesan to their carpaccio. Hmmm... makes sense because milk products inhibit iron absorbtion to a degree.

    I ordered me some phytic acid IP6/Inositol to help remove excess iron faster. And I do eat since a week or so, quite a bit of sesame seeds that are rich in copper and also in... phytic acid...:) cool :) and I love the taste :)
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  14. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK Gold

    I think something that is missing from the article is the environment … https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.p...es-were-discussed-properly.22923/#post-285717

    "The Nenets find peace, health, and longevity through raw reindeer meat, fat, organs, blood and bones." That's a lot of iron, even if they don't cook in iron or stainless steel pots. :eek: Apart from the natural environment including the cold, they also aren't living in the same aluminium toxic world. Its just a musing :D but if transferrin is the molecular iron transporter required by the body to move iron across the blood-brain-barrier and aluminium can mimic iron due to similar size and ionic charge, there may be some quantum conversation from the iron starved brain to the gut saying take up more iron …Without aluminium's interference, the Nenet's brains may be having the reverse quantum conversation. Or simply finding balance. With aluminium toxicity, it could be the brain stimulating behavioural changes to go after more iron rich food. Having had red meat several times in the past 10 days, I don't want it now …. as in REALLY don't want it. And the lamb casserole I had this week had to be cooked in a ceramic slow cook crock pot, not on the stove. :confused:
  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Do you have hemochromatosis?

    What is your hemoglobin level?
    If you post it, please include units and laboratory range.
    If your Hgb is withing the laboratory range, possibly you may be worrying too much.

    What Are Normal Hemoglobin Values?
    • Birth: 13.5 to 24.0 g/dl (mean 16.5 g/dl)
    • Age <1 month: 10.0 to 20.0 g/dl (mean 13.9 g/dl)
    • Age 1-2 months: 10.0 to 18.0 g/dl (mean 11.2 g/dl)
    • Age 2-6 months: 9.5 to 14.0 g/dl (mean 12.6 g/dl)
    • Age 0.5 to 2 years: 10.5 to 13.5 g/dl (mean 12.0 g/dl)
    • Age 2 to 6 years: 11.5 to 13.5 g/dl (mean 12.5 g/dl)
    • Age 6-12 years: 11.5 to 15.5 g/dl (mean 13.5)
    • Female
      • Age 12-18 years: 12.0 to 16.0 g/dl (mean 14.0 g/dl)
      • Age >18 years: 12.1 to 15.1 g/dl (mean 14.0 g/dl)
    • Male
      • Age 12-18 years: 13.0 to 16.0 g/dl (mean 14.5 g/dl)
      • Age >18 years: 13.6 to 17.7 g/dl (mean 15.5 g/dl)
  16. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Yes Sue... that might be. Environment is a huge factor! But Nenets live in freezing cold.. and iron helps survive that as it heats you up, if I understand it correctly... also I am not sure Nenets have that genetic mutation the Vikings had, I do not think so. They might absorb way less of the iron, and so have been able to survive on a mostly raw meat diet. They also eat the whole animal though, and not only muscle meat.
    And they do herbs and mushrooms and other plants and seafood.. so they do have a pretty varied diet, with things in it that might prevent too much iron absorption as certain plants/seeds etc do.
    But the genetic mutation that changed the iron absorption is a pretty big factor i think, in me.. and probably in you as we might have the same ancestors.

    I tried to eat some raw meat again too a few days ago, and it was only 200 grams/day 2 days in a row. Both days I started sweating again and it did not feel right. The sweating only lasted for a day and stopped as I did not eat meat again the following days...
    Sue, our bodies seems to give us clues! :) :)
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  17. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Jan my hemoglobin was 14,5 as I donated blood.
    My ferritine was 180. It is on the high end of the lab range but it does not say that my liver or other organs are not overloaded with iron.
    If you read Jacks blog carefully you will see why.
    It is a genetic adaptation of my ancestors, the body might store the iron in the organs.

    It is totally possible to have iron overload and be anemic...... imagine that.
    That is a bigger issue because they will not let you donate blood if your hemoglobin is under 12.
    So iron overload is not exactly a simple thing to figure out.
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  18. Inger

    Inger Silver

    "Testosterone replacement therapy supresses a hormone called hepcidin responsible for regulating iron absorption. So you are absorbing more iron..."


    Found this as I googled IP6.
    Holy moly... more pieces coming on their place!! I was drinking lots of sheep ball smoothies a 2-3 years ago.......OMG
    I stopped, because I realized it gave me too much testosterone - I got body signs of it.
    But still it might have added to the iron issue... o_O

    errr.... biohacking gone wrong :tears: :shhh: :alien: :whistle:
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  19. Veg

    Veg New Member


    After watching documentary again, I thought more about it and felt that the thing I missed most in the documentary were the "before" and "after" photos of you.

    Personally, simply those 2 photos were much more convincing for me about this diet than 100s of posts that I have read.

    I am thankful to you about silica hint. I have read all about it this weekend. Let's see how this help me.
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  20. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    What was your Hgb before you donated?

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