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How to recover from anorexia?

Discussion in 'Adrenal Rx and Leaky Gut Rx' started by Hemming, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    When one is LR it means you have inflammation and a higher sympathetic outflow from your PVN (Brain gut 16) and less parasympathetic.......when your parasympathetic drive comes back to allostasis and your inflammation decreases.....coffee is fine. It is a question of timing when your broken.......it is nothing with the coffee. The coffee effect is well known.........

    The same is true for a normal person and a diabetic. A normal person can eat a snickers bar without too much risk.......and diabetic can not. Why? Their hormone panels reflect that their molecular clocks are set differently because of their individual epigenetics. Time is relative to our lifestyles and everything else according to one famous 1905 paper. Einstein 101.
     
  2. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    Thank you dr. Kruse, that makes sense.

    I'm seeing my doctor at a specialist clinic Monday, any tests I should ask for that relates specifically to anorexia in addition to the ones you generally recommend and cortisol? I'll be asking for HS-CRP, lipid panel and thyroid panel.
     
  3. Dextery

    Dextery New Member

    If you do not ask for a reverse T3 test along with the normal thyroid panel, most likely you will not get it. Go to www.stopthethroidmadness.com in advance of your visit to your doctor to learn about T3/RT3 ratios. If they will do it, also get a NMR lipid profile done. Most importantly, it will tell you your total LDL particle number and your small dense LDL number. You want that number to be around 10% or less. Report back.
     
  4. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    Good point. Thank you for mentioning that.
     
  5. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    Obviously, the doctor would not do the tests now and referred me to my own doctor who can't bothered anyway.

    So now I'm back to square one. Next I'm seeing a dietitian who will no doubt tell me I'm shit stupid for eating according to the epi-paleo diet and tell me to start eating rye bread, cinnamon rolls and ice cream to get better. On top of that I'll probably also be told that coconut oil is poison because it's mainly saturated fat.
     
  6. Dextery

    Dextery New Member

    To find a good doc in your area, there are a couple of resources to check:
    1) http://lowcarbdoctors.blogspot.com/ Scroll down and on the right, the listing is by state with some out of the US docs.
    2) http://primaldocs.com/ Click on "Find a Primal Doc"
    3) http://paleophysiciansnetwork.com/ This is Robb Wolfe's listing

    Hopefully you can find a Low Carb type doc in your area that will understand thyroid issues.

    Edit: I see by your values you originally posted that you probably not in the US. But perhaps there is a listing of a doc somewhere in the world for you.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2013
  7. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    Thank you for posting. You're right, I live in Denmark and it's quite difficult (impossible) to find doctors who believe in the paleo approach. And in the land of rye bread it's quite difficult to convince anyone that gluten/grains is not essential to life (believe me, I've tried for a long time and not eating it makes a lot of people wonder what is wrong with me).
     
  8. Dextery

    Dextery New Member

    The closest doc I know of is Dr Andreas Eenfeldt http://www.dietdoctor.com/ located in Karlstad, Sweden....a boatride from Denmark. He has a presence on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/eenfeldt Use google translate Sweden has embraced Low Carb/high fat.
     
  9. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    Thank you. I already know of Andreas (he has become quite famous in Scandinavia). I've previously asked him regarding consultation or if he knows any doctors in Denmark but I never heard anything back. I'm pretty sure he doesn't take in patients.

    I've contacted a doctor in Denmark now who uses the paleo diet. I'm not sure if he is even doing that kind of consultation.
     
  10. RickD

    RickD New Member

    Hemming, I'm American but I lived in Denmark for over 6 years and my opinion is that you won't get your answers from the Danish medical system. My best advice is to find an American doc and use them for consults. I now live in Canada, but for all medical issues I consult with Docs in the US. Besides, If you're reading Jack then you're way past conventional medicine.

    Bloodwork is the issue you need find a solution for. In the US there are numerous internet blood labs where you pay for the labs you want without needing a doctor. You might want to search to see if Europe has something similar.
     
  11. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    they do but it costs.......
     
  12. Andy2424

    Andy2424 New Member

    Jack, do you think the leptin reset would benefit a person who is trying to recover from anorexia? I had anorexia at the beginning of the year but I tried to recover and started eating more food which made me lose control of my appetite and I had and still have an unbelievable appetite where I never feel full. I am wondering if this is leptin resistance due to all the weight I lost or is it something else? I begain gaining weight the minute I started eating more food and had the uncontrollable hunger and binged on cereal, bread and anything carby really. To this day I am still gaining weight at a rapid rate and my metabolism seems to have just shut off. I am having a full thryoid panel done including rt3 and a salivary cortisol but I know my rt3 will be high due to the starving I put myself through. Do you think the leptin reset could fix this hunger and weight gain I now have? From other sites I have read about anorexia it says to eat a large amount of carbs and protein but I am wondering if paleo high fat and high protein low carb would be better for my recovery? I used to be very lean about 10% body fat before the anorexia but now since I gained all the weight back it is mostly in the form of fat and I am at, at least 20% bf. I am just wondering which protocol you think I should follow and any other tests or advice you have I would really appreciate as I dont know what to do?
     
  13. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    depends upon the context of your life and your labs now.......the high fat method can work.
     
  14. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    Thank you Rick. I completely agree with the Danish medical system - but I knew that beforehand. I've found Jack's blog really good, just something like CT I feel has made an improvement already (especially the ocean swim).

    Getting blood labs in Denmark is stupidly expensive compared to the US. I have already done some research on the pricing and I could do a one time test but its not sustainable in the long run.

    Do you know of any doctors in the US who would do long distance counseling?
     
  15. Andy2424

    Andy2424 New Member

    thanks for the reply Jack, what do you mean by the context of my life now? And I should have my labs within the next week to have more info. Do you think high fat and paleo would be better than eating lots of carbs to try and speed up my metabolism again or should I continue eating the high carb diet which I dont think is working as I am gaining weight still and have a very large appetite I can never satisfy. From your experience and knowledge what do you think is the best path to follow to recovery and gain lots of lean muscle?
     
  16. MeghanK

    MeghanK New Member

    Andy,
    It sounds like you were trying to gain the weight back by binging on junk food? Breads, Cereals etc?
     
  17. RickD

    RickD New Member

    Sorry Hemming but I have zero experience with your particular problem. With summer here I'm envious of your ocean swims. I lived on the Strandvejen in Kokkedal and took full advantge of the water outside the front door.
     
  18. Hemming

    Hemming New Member

    That's a very nice place. I live in Ørestaden and swim at Strandparken.

    I've contacted a paleo doctor in Denmark who wants to give me email counseling for free which should be really interesting as he also wants to promote the paleo diet in Denmark.
     
  19. Andy2424

    Andy2424 New Member

    Yes MeghanK your right, at the begging I had to gain back the weight as I was severely under weight so I ate a lot of processed carbs, I thought it would be as simple as just eating more food again and I would be able to stop eating 3000 calories a day again when I hit my previous weight before anorexia which was about 68kg. The thing is since I started eating again I have an uncontrollable hunger I cannot satisfy and my weight does not seem to stabalize at all I can gain as much as 2 lbs a day. I am wondering if this is due to leptin with the uncontrollable appetite and if any of Dr.k's protocols could help me. I have tried lots of different things but have not tried a high fat diet like the one outlined in the leptin reset and wonder if that would work. I am very into sport and want to start playing again but I have zero energy and my weight is hindering me also. I am really at a loss here and wonder what Jack thinks would be my best bet, hoping to here from him and if you have any advice I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, Andy
     
  20. MeghanK

    MeghanK New Member

    Hey Andy,
    Did you get your labs done? Thyroid tested...? Anorexia fucks up your thyroid... which in turn could lead to your fatigue and hunger....Have you tried just starting small... and eliminating grains?
     

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