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How to make deuterium depleted water.

Discussion in 'Mitochondrial Rx' started by Billybats, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. Billybats

    Billybats New Member

    Hi Dr. Kruse. Is it really that simple to make, and in the video he uses distilled water, is that a must.
     
  2. Billybats

    Billybats New Member

    Another question. Is DDW the same as EZ water?
     
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  3. Ted

    Ted New Member

    Nice video. Now I understand it much better. Does this mean that our ice cubes are concentrated with deuterium?
     
  4. Billybats

    Billybats New Member

    Good question, sounds logical to me. I would like to know if the video information is true, if so what kind of water to use..spring, distilled etc.. I hope someone answers our questions.

    And hello Ted.
     
  5. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    The way I understand this today,
    ie; my doodles, may be far from what actually is happening.

    Hydrogen H = proton + electron
    Deuterium D = (proton + neutron) + electron

    We are talking about two different chemicals,
    one is a water made of hydrogen and oxygen
    the other is a different kind of water (heavy water) made of deuterium and oxygen.

    Oxygen may also come in variety of flavors, but that is likely left for latter.

    Both of this waters may have variety of states.
    solid
    liquid
    gas
    EZ (4th state)

    EZ water is able to exist only in highly confined space.
    Either as very thin layer next to surface.
    Or totally confined in very small volumes, such as mitochondria.
    Some surfaces are friendlier to EZ than others.

    Our cells are usually of a (large) volume, so that EZ is only on the surface and farther out (few atom layers), the rest of the water is in liquid state.
    Some cell components have membranes. Membranes act as surfaces.
    Membranes can be eucarytoe type or bacterial type.

    Mitochondria could be
    very small (normal, desirable)
    or
    little larger (not desirable, part of %heteroplasmy)

    Healthy Mitochondria produces EZ water that is made of hydrogen and oxygen.
    Healthy mitochondria acts as a filter. It filters out deuterium, uses only hydrogen to produce EZ.

    When EZ leaves mitochondria, portion that is next to any surface stays as EZ, the balance converts to liquid.

    Larger mitochondria, the one that is part of %heteroplasmy, allows some deuterium to be used in EZ water production.

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    Overall, there is a hope that consuming water that have less than usual amount of deuterium will result in lower overall body content of deuterium.

    That seems to me questionable or at least it requires less trust and more verification.

    Our bodies and the rest of eucarytoes are build with ability to live variety of environments.
    Deuterium content that we live in is natural.
    It stays as it is now for likely the last 10000 years.


    Figuring out one's %heteroplamy and ways to its reduction seems as worthy project at this time.

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    All above is not stopping me from drinking my
    Pellegrino
    and
    Poland Spring waters

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    Last edited: Nov 6, 2017
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  6. philip malone

    philip malone Silver

    I can't think of a reason why you couldn't use the Poland Spring to make DDW. Just freeze it as in the video..... I think.
     
  7. shiran

    shiran Curious

    Interesting .. so now we should freeze the ro water ?
     
  8. philip malone

    philip malone Silver

    I believe any water aside from the $$$$$ mountain stuff is likely to have extra D2O, so pick a good water (ie no fluoride etc.) ( Jack Kruse does mention RO water in his Nov webinar, so I guess that gives you a head start if you have it) and freeze the D2O out.. I don't (yet) know of another practical, reasonable cost way.... Maybe one nice thing about living where there's a winter!!
     
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  9. Mystic Rose60

    Mystic Rose60 Let the sun shine on you :))

    Mountain Valley Spring water also has a home delivery service. I've been purchasing it by the cases for about a year and a half now and I just ran into a lady who has it delivered to her home every week. This is one of the spring waters that Jack does suggest and drinks a lot of himself. I now know that consuming this water is one of the reasons I have been able to thrive here. I jumped right on it when Jack suggested it over a year ago. This is the water that I also brought to the hospital when my husband sufferd his stroke and I instructed the stafff that he was to drink nothing else but this, and he still does, along with some occasional shungite water from our well. But now, we are going back to 100% MVS. Here's the link for anyone interested.

    https://shop.mountainvalleyspring.com/products/5-gallon-spring
     
  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    It may be a tough project, specially as a DIY project,
    either as fractional distillation
    or
    fractional freezing.
    The temperature difference is very small.

    To get relatively pure alcohol a three way distillation is used.

    Azeotropic distillation

    Possibly there is a similar possibility with H2O and D2O.

    So question is,
    what is that third component
    (but it have to be healthy for consumption)

    (Pure commercial ethanol stinks, at least the Polish type that I tried in 1960).
    benzene, water, ethanol

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercooling
    Water normally freezes at 273.15 K (0 °C or 32 °F), but it can be "supercooled" at standard pressure down to its crystal homogeneous nucleation at almost 224.8 K (−48.3 °C/−55 °F).[2][3] The process of supercooling requires that water be pure and free of nucleation sites, which can be achieved by processes like reverse osmosis or chemical demineralization, but the cooling itself does not require any specialised technique.

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    • Normal water boils at 100° C; heavy water boils at 101.4 °C.
    • Normal water freezes at 0° C; heavy water freezes at 3.8° C.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_freezing

    The danger of freeze distillation of alcoholic beverages, is that unlike heat distillation, where the methanol and other impurities can be separated from the finished product, freeze distillation does not remove them. Thus the ratio of impurities may be increased compared to the total volume of the beverage. This concentration may cause side effects to the drinker, leading to intense hangovers and a condition known as "apple palsy"

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fractional_distillation

    Ethanol boils at 78.4 °C while water boils at 100 °C.




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  11. Ted

    Ted New Member

    I'm confused about this. The video shows that you have to throw away the first layer of frozen water, as it has the high deuterium.
     
  12. philip malone

    philip malone Silver

    Deut has a higher freezing point so the high deut portion freezes out first and you throw it out.
     
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  13. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    https://www.google.com/patents/CN103979495A?cl=en

    Technology for producing deuterium-depleted water and method for producing deuterium-depleted water thereby
    CN 103979495 A
    Abstract
    The invention discloses a technology for producing deuterium-depleted water and a method for producing deuterium-depleted water thereby. According to the method, hydrogen which is a byproduct of chlor-alkali industry is washed with water and cooled at a low temperature, then enters a hydrogen burner through a pipeline, is mixed with oxygen and then is burned in a hydrogen burning boiler, the heat released during the combustion of hydrogen is used for producing steam, the water generated during the combustion of hydrogen enters a cooling condensing system for cooling and condensing, and the obtained deuterium-depleted water is stored in a crude deuterium-depleted water storage tank (5); and the deuterium-depleted water in the crude deuterium-depleted water storage tank is processed by the steps of sand filtering, carbon filtering, microfiltration, ultrafilteration, reverse osmosis, refined filtration and sterilization in a water purification system and then is canned by a canning machine and finally the canned deuterium-depleted water is transported outwards to the markets. The hydrogen (a byproduct of chlor-alkali industry) is burned with oxygen to produce deuterium-depleted water with very high value. The method is low in energy consumption, has low cost, can be put into large-scale industrial production of the deuterium-depleted water, improves the quality of drinking water for people, meets the heavy demand of the mass on the deuterium-depleted water, and has good social and economic benefits.
     
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  14. Lahelada

    Lahelada New Member

    Does the home method of freezing and throwing away the ice that freezes first actually have merit? On the face of it it seems to. It just seems to easy in comparison with the above.
     
  15. Andrea

    Andrea What is NOT on the menu?

    I've been wondering about this too. Sure, deuterium has a slightly higher freezing point, but it also has a higher density. Deuterium ice sinks to the bottom of a water filled container. So why would deuterium float up to the surface...?

    Suppose one could go get a few pounds of natural uranium and put into the melted "deuterium ice" to find out... :thumbsup:
     
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  16. Billybats

    Billybats New Member

    Hi JanSz,

    I found this interesting with Joe from selfhelp.com interviewing Dr. Gerald Pollock. I think him and Dr. Kruse should do some experiments together. Dr. Pollock even says to Joe to get together and do some. I would love to see too and one in the lab video of Dr. Kruse and Dr. Pollock having a discussion and one doing the experiments, probably pretty hilarious in a good way. Dang if I was smart like him and Dr. K and had the money I would be in my outside/inside lab..haha just because.. Maybe you smart ones out there with a lot of money would ask Dr. Pollock and probably Dr. Kruse too for experiments. Aaaaah.. make note to self if I win the lottery this would be one thing I would look into.

     
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  17. Inger

    Inger Silver

    I read somewhere that if one freezes water to get less deuterium, the water should be a kind with less minerals. So Gerolsteiner would not work well as it is high in minerals. I am going to go and buy some low mineral spring water (I normally drink Pellegrino and Gerolsteiner) and try it out, the freezing method. Cool :)
     
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  18. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Oysters know precisely how to do it and this is why I eat them and their water.
     
  19. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Wonder what kind of vegetables or fruits have the least deuterium in their water.
    Juicing those may be one of the options.

    .......
    Does anybody have this study ?
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    Determination of the oxygen-18 and deuterium content of fruit and vegetable juice water. An European inter-laboratory comparison study

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/000326709400424K
     
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  20. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Well I have a new blog for you to chew on today on DEUTERIUM before the live Q &A this weekend!!!! If you have a mitochondrial disease like cancer (low D3 levels) you might want to pay attention to this one. "We live by a small trickle of electricity from the sun.” The green of our garden, the algae in our water, the trees, grasses and herbs on our lands are the transforming agents that harvest the sun’s light via the process of photosynthesis. When we consume these foods, this stored sun energy is released into our bodies as electrons and protons; it is then transformed into ATP, adenosine triphosphate, the biological energy necessary for all cellular function.”
    - Szent Gyorgyi
    https://www.patreon.com/posts/deuterium-14768134
     

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