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Google and algorithms........control your doctor now

Discussion in 'Educating Doctors' started by Jack Kruse, Nov 14, 2019.

  1. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    GOOGLE and the algorithm playbook........

    Create illness and solutions for sickness and you win profits.

    We got manipulated, my fellow doctors. We screwed ourselves. From Google to Apple to 23andMe, many major tech companies are getting into the health research space. Where are the physicians? We have our patient's best interest in mind and we should be the gatekeepers of research as a care ancillary at the point of care, implemented to benefit our patients well being and improve health outcomes.

    This feels like an algorithm data grab by google not an attempt to solve complex healthcare problems. Hubris and funding without contextual knowledge are a dangerous combination. Why do we keep waiting to get invited to this party when we should be the ones hosting it and driving the discussion?

    Big tech has done a lousy job of solving healthcare problems because they miss the fundamental point you just made about the doctor-patient relationship. The perspectives are different when you've actually cared for patients not just given a TED talk about "transforming healthcare.

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  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    What about university degrees, in the middle of Africa, using the internet only?
    Without big buildings and their professors which are communist agents with little red books.

    Last edited: Nov 14, 2019
  3. nintendo1889

    nintendo1889 New Member

    Another way to look at it is predicting health through pattern identification.
  4. "Open University".....has rather distinct overtones of Soros
  5. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

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  6. Jackie Nelson

    Jackie Nelson New Member

    At close to retirement age and having spent 35 years working as an RN, am now absolutely convinced that the powers that be not only want the money, but they actually WANT a lower global population. I know this sounds like crazy conspiracy theory thinking, but there's overwhelming evidence to support this notion. There is definitely a segment of the ultra wealthy who are systematically and knowingly killing us ... and doing a dang good job of it. Afterall, we're the "useless eaters" who are wrecking the environment and using up resources ... so they think.

    Alas, most people blindly muddle on as if the conventional Big Pharma system of health "care" is actually trying to help us. They not only don't "care" they actually want us dead ... but a slow death is better because they can profit more easily from those lifetime meds. Most doctors and nurses are good people who are just trying to help others, but they work in a broken system. And for a small minority of those that control the system, the more suffering they cause us, the more pleasure these predators experience.

    I recall a story of a woman who survived one of Hitlers concentration camps. She and her daughter were suffering so much that one day the woman begged the guard to kill them both, but instead he just laughed and said "then where would I get my pleasure from, if I could not see your daily suffering?" Yep, these monsters may be few and far between but they are REAL ... evil is real and tends to have a great deal of power on the planet.
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  7. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Most doctors and nurses are good people who are just trying to help others, but they work in a broken system.

    This comment applies not only to doctors and nurses.
    It applies especially to teachers (from kindergarten up up up).
    Artists are special degenerated category.
    How Textbooks Can Teach Different Versions Of History

    Rewriting History
    keep in mind that History is written by the victors (that is: they have not much to do with what actually happened)

  8. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    The public will come to realize that the secret of Data Science algorithms in medicine has been a bad idea. I believe it was done on purpose to lower entitlement costs of the Boomer generation. It was sold to medicine because it is supposed to illuminate truth, but the coders have written the software to remove all ideas, all concepts, in order to hide the truth to have a chance to profit from the deception. Right now the data scientists are hiding this reality from everyone. The government has allowed healthcare companies to hire physicians so that healthcare companies could limit competition and then introduce the use of algorithms to replace proper medical advice. That is what is going on globally. Governments want physicians replaced by Artificial Intelligence because they believe it saves money. They could care less if it actually works.
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  9. Daulatwant

    Daulatwant Kipras

  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    If that system (Artificial Intelligence) was used to produce more beef or bacon, would it be efficient and minimize farmer's expenses?
    I guess the answer is yes.
    Goodby doctor, hello Mr. Veterinarian.

    Last edited: Nov 10, 2020
  11. Daulatwant

    Daulatwant Kipras

    Why would a veterinarian use this algorithm to minimize expenses of the farmer?
    This is not AI, it's a calculator, you input certain variables and you get a result. The "AI" won't stop people from inputting made up variables to get the desired result. Remember the covid computer models?
  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Farming animals are you and me.
    In this new system we only deserve veterinarians or just treatment by machines according to the latest ICD code.
    Only the few chosen deserve real (thinking) doctors.
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  13. RebeccaCameron

    RebeccaCameron New Member

    I agree with you that large technology companies are constantly developing and creating programs. As far as I know, health issues are the main areas of attention. The company I work for uses a https://www.iinsight.biz/ software to track billboards, bills, and personal data. The advantages of this software are that I have an electronic medical record that stores data about my health status and illness. I can easily make an appointment with a doctor or get a consultation. Work takes up a lot of my time, so it's very convenient for me. Perhaps using this system has disadvantages, but I only see an advantage for myself.
  14. Christoferfer

    Christoferfer New Member

    You're right! I also use the app to pay bills but I haven't tried this one yet
  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Consultations with doctors (that work in the SYSTEM) are pre-arranged by SYSTEM designers.
    The doctor first has to give you the ICD-10 number
    after that you are done, no changes allowed or the doctor can lose his license (and his job).
    The arrangement is such that the doctor is able to only prescribe SYNTHETIC chemical in an attempt to cure your problem.
    There was a chart posted
    Medical SYSTEM contains about 7% of peoples that are medical doctors, the rest are pencil pushers.

    This SYSTEM is great as far as cutting and mending go.
    Outside of that, it sucks.
    I personally am witnessing (both sides) of that while using:
    Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center institution in New York City.
  16. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

  17. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Soon If investors, lawyers, government regulators, and Supreme Court Justices don't learn to code the taxpayer will be at the mercy of those who can. That is the game the Fed, CCP, healthcare companies, and bankers are playing with your life.
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  18. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Pfizer, Sanofi’s Pharmaceutical Rebate Suits Get on FTC’s Radar - CVS Caremark, Express Scripts, and OptumRx—now control 74% of the prescriptions in the U.S. market https://bit.ly/3wdI1JE LIMP NOODLE FTC CAN'T INVADE THE 3 PBM Algorithm MACHINES
  19. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Healthcare payers and Wall Street are all connected and as you can see now the issues with rogue algorithms and identify are being discussed with having adequate audit trails and accountability. We should be able to trace every transaction and follow it’ path in an audit trail, same applies to healthcare but we never get to see those outside the clinical side where certification and rigid standards are the norms for medical record vendors.

    In making this comparison, we have the same issues too with checking “new” algorithms in healthcare and working from the blindside with payers. One true fact that holds anywhere is that sometimes we don’t know exactly what some algorithms may do, like under a perfect storm scenario. Usually, in healthcare, it leads to a claim rejection or something along that line. Just as the trading houses are running data over many exchanges, we have the same thing happening in healthcare with data touching many areas and accountability is a top concern. On Wall Street, they want brokers to audit the algorithms and in healthcare, first of all, we need to see them, and when it comes right down to it, they should be filed in a digital format so one can watch one operate with some fictitious sample data. Actually, that’s a good idea for future laws to incorporate some of those. One state legislature in New Jersey is on to this and has a bill with statutes that would allow health insurance algorithms to be audited as to how they were put together (computer code) as well.

    BITCOIN LEDGERS ON BLOCKCHAINS are fully transparent.

    Nothing in health care is.
  20. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    If AMA and CMS issued physicians codes for delayed, changed, or abandoned care due to prior authorization rationing or high costs then insurance companies and their PBMs would have to compete capitalistically based on the deleterious consequences of their PA rationing. But they can’t by design. Patients should be able to "correct" EHR by self-reporting an ICD10 code of rationed/delayed care &/or onerous barriers from PBMs, insurance companies, and med supply disturb, etc. The industry is defining patient non-compliance with their platform algorithms = administrators BS from the patient's viewpoint. Electronic medical records are really a billing device and a patient data aggregation sales device for hospitals. We should call them EBRs instead of EMRs. We should start telling patients their data is being sold. Doctors and patients are on the menu not at the table. This is how they cheat with algorithms.
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