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Gastritis, Helico bactor tx?

Discussion in 'Adrenal Rx and Leaky Gut Rx' started by Luisa88, Oct 29, 2022.

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  1. Luisa88

    Luisa88 Silver

    So I have realised that the intense nausea and severe fatigue (+ mood dive) I get after eating raw oysters or egg yolks (or anything when I'm already "wired") is gastritis.

    Heliocbactor fecal antigen came back equivocal and suggested more testing but given I wake with gnawing at 2am sometimes, lose weight easily and iron 10umol/L (ferritin 36ug/L) with slight eosinophilia + deranged cortisol that doesn't fit the normal adrenal fatigue (when I have the gastritis I cannot sleep) I am sure its helicobactor. (Fecal Calprotectin came back 30mg/kg)

    So given antibiotics are what seemed to allow its overgrowth in the first place in me, is it still Jacks view that you need to take antibiotics for helico?

    The only thing that seems to calm everything down is colloidal silver. I have started pyloguard in an attempt to reduce this and the anxiety that seems to come with it.

    This would also fit as to why I cannot handle cold and get lack of appetite and anxiety. It seems to flare gastritis in me
  2. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Have you tried CDS (chlordioxinsolution/MMS) yet?
    That is what I would try. And then lactoferrin. Those two are both cheap and safe to try if they could help, if you have not yet.
    People have healed their helicobacter without antibiotics, it is possible.
  3. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  4. Luisa88

    Luisa88 Silver

    Thanks Inger,

    I am so sensitive I don't think I can handle that yet. I think lactoferrin I could. I feel like I need to try l.reuteri to get some strength and then may be try MMS. The big issue is if my gastritis flares my anxiety goes through the roof. As in physiologically my cortisol rises and I cannot sleep. Allicin did this recently hence Im hesitant for MMS but will definitely look into it, thank you. Will try lactoferrin prior as think that's gentler.
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  5. Inger

    Inger Silver

    Well Louisa,
    CDS is very gentle. You can start with very little amount. I make my own CDS from MMS, CDS is more gentle than MMS.
    I can only recommend to read up on it :)
    But yeah, if you start with lactoferrin that is great too, because that I think could really help this situation too :):)
  6. Luisa88

    Luisa88 Silver

    Thank Inger, I thought it was the same thing until I clicked the link Jansz sent (thanks Jansz). I am still a tad scared as I feel so deficient in good bacteria and it sounds like it doesn't discriminate but worth a try low and slow, thank you :)
  7. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    A group of conditions that cause inflammation of the stomach lining. It can be caused due to alcoholic abuse, infection or underlying conditions.
    GERD Gastroesophageal reflux disease
    A chronic digestive disease where the liquid content of the stomach refluxes into the esophagus, the tube connecting the mouth and stomach.
    Are you sure you have gastritis?

    May want to take
    Potassium Bicarbonate
    one or two teaspoons (a day) for few days,

    See if that make a difference.
    Amazon.com: Pure Original Ingredients Potassium Bicarbonate (2 lb) Natural, Food Safe, Electrolyte, Leavening : Health & Household


  8. Luisa88

    Luisa88 Silver

    Hi JanSz,
    It's extreme nausea. When I take betaine hcl it makes me feel worse - wrecks my sleep and shaky and lose appetite more ( I have poor appetite). potassium irritates my gut more hence I feel its gastritis. Worse with raw oysters, egg yolks, cannot do basically any vegetables. Camplyobactor came up in recent tests too. It all started post antibiotics 13 years ago. Feels like I have pathogen overgrowth in my stomach that when irritated I get gastritis. Anything that Ive tried to kill the bacteria seems to inflame more except colloidal silver. Its like the silver neutralises it. (whatever it is)

    I do get slight weird throat feeling sometimes which I assume is gerd but no typical gerd symptoms
  9. Luisa88

    Luisa88 Silver

    Oh and manuka honey I think semi helps. Also my vitamin d is 95, I sleep well when its not irritated, no cramps in legs or anything
  10. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Threads like this just infuriate me.
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  11. Warren Canavan

    Warren Canavan New Member

    I would look into fermented foods and bone broth. Sally fallon morells book on broth is excellent. We need all the materials from collagen to help keep the intestinal lining strong, in her book she covers alot interesting science and health facts.
  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    You are mostly only talking, not posting any tests.
    I in an early 2000 or very late 1990 I had a gut problem.
    Pain in the gut.
    Tried everything I could think of no help.
    Went to gastroenterologist, colonoscopy, gastroskopy, all ok.
    Doctor was of no other help.

    How I found this, I do not remember.
    Want it, try it. That was it for me at that time.

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  13. Brent Patrick

    Brent Patrick Silver

    Dont muck around with Helicobacter pylori my father had it ,stupid doctor kept giving him anti-acids for the heartburn and reflux HP eventually turned into ulcers then eventually Adenocarcinoma of the stomach... 'stomach cancer' it was a terrible way to go ,don't fool around with your assumptions take the therapy invented by Australian Doctors.

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  14. edwarferg

    edwarferg New Member

    Not really educated on gastritis but when I read the op's post, I was thinking that since they know the cause of their gastritis, can't they just avoid it(raw oysters or egg yolks)? I think they can minimize it through that.
  15. Dr. Marcus Ettinger

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  16. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Thank you for the great information.

    In the top link you wrote:
    In terms of UV light, UVB rays (290-320 nm) are responsible for the production of vitamin D in the skin, which is important for maintaining bone health and regulating the immune system. However, excessive UVB exposure can also cause sunburn and increase the risk of skin cancer.

    Per information contained in QE #27 possibly above sentence may need some reworking?


  17. Dr. Marcus Ettinger

    Dr. Marcus Ettinger Platinum Member

    Just my personal opinion, I don't care what Jack says, burning like that degrades collagen and leads to crusty skin. I don't mind dying with photoaged skin, I do mind dying looking like a crusty scab. (actinic keratosis; seborrheic keratosis; solar lentigos; creepy, saggy skin... My Jewish grandma and grandpa got me hooked on the sun at an early age. We would go to Palms Springs for a month every Summer. By the time they were in their late 70s, all the above was all over their body. When my grandma was in her mid 90's it was really bad. Healthwise, not an issue. Skinwise, crusty!!!

    PS. The skin cancer I'm referring to is non-life threatening squamous and pre-squamous actinic keratosis. Who wants to go get all the above scraped off, lasered off, 5-FU'ed off... every month at the derm when you're older. I get pink, put my sun shirt on and I'm golden. I'm 59 and I have not set foot in an MD's office other than for stitches, casts, and reparative Sx since I was in grade school. That tells me that I'm doing something right or I'm just one lucky SOB.
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  18. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

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