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Fasted State Training Adaptations

Discussion in 'Optimal Fitness' started by Barry, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. Barry

    Barry New Member


    "once flow begins, light enhances that flow" G.Pollack

    a lot to be said there....
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  2. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    Great insights.
    Though I still like my diet, fasting and things still dialed in (I just now enjoy and crave a seafood epi-paleo, keto based, seasonal diet) I too have found a profound effect from daily sun.

    One thing I have found that really enhances and quantifies the effect of the sun is being barefoot. I crave and love being barefoot. Especially in the sun. My feet have really toughened up from me always going barefoot. I always feel better kicking off my shoes and even go barefoot in public.

    And my feet stay in nice condition. They don't look all jacked up like you see some that go barefoot. My feel look better than most guys that wear shoes or flip-flops.

    The more I connect the more profound the effect seems.

    Kick the shoes off, let the sunshine in and add some movement.
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  3. Barry

    Barry New Member

    that all goes back a few pages to our "how do you know you are connected"...... so I'm with you there for sure

    what's interesting is when you connect the dots and marry it up with Jacks work.... that's what has driven me to continue here over the past few years.

    For example, from his latest Warburg blog:

    When mitochondria are stressed calcium comes rushing in to it. Why? It is trying to re-tune the inner mitochondrial membrane to oscillate at 100Hz so it can return to fat burning. When it cannot, mitochondrial stress increases, its size increases and heteroplasmy rates rise. Influx of mitochondrial calcium increases the rate of oxygen consumption to create a realtive pseudohypoxia at the tissue level because of the activation of calcium-activated dehydrogenases (GDH mentioned above), and by activating mitochondrial nitric oxide synthase (mtNOS), decreases the rates of oxygen consumption because nitric oxide is a competitive inhibitor of cytochrome oxidase.

    Cells need mechanisms that ensure that the rate of formation of ATP matches tissue requirements for this molecule. In most mammalian cells, ATP is mainly formed through mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation. Changes in ATP synthesis (ATPase) can be completed through alterations in the activities of the mitochondrial dehydrogenases (IR-A red light does this!), which generate NADH and FADH for the respiratory chain. People do not realize IR-A light can replenish these things with no FOOD intake needed. Three of these dehydrogenases are of particular importance (i.e., pyruvate dehydrogenase, NAD+-dependent isocitrate dehydrogenase, and 2-oxoglutarate dehydrogenase) because they can be activated by increases in calcium, (NAD+)/(NADH) or (ADP)/(ATP) ratios. nnEMF is well know to cause calcium imbalance in cells, especially mitochondria.

    So how do I marry that up with what I'm doing ?

    I want to destress my mitchondria = go barefoot as much as possible

    I want to generate NADH and FADH for my respiratory chain = get morning sunlight

    Everything is simple when you know how. And the body is more clever than you think it is, if you let it be.
  4. HenrikB

    HenrikB New Member

    I smile each time my body reacts to the current environment and I think about that post, "yeap, connecting."

    Also, this forum's subject, "Fasted State Training Adaptations," makes me think about animals, how they always perform best before they eat—when they're empty and are ready to hunt. Personally, that fasted feeling is my favorite. It feels like there are no limitations to what can be achieved.
  5. JanSz

    JanSz Silver

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  6. drezy

    drezy Gold

    Call me crazy, but I have this funny feeling that @Barry doesn't have one of these strapped to his torso during his runs.

    If I we're stuck in a hospital against my will I'd be the first guy hitting the "buy" button on that. Otherwise get your sun and your nature.

    I've personally come to the conclusion that no engineered alternative will even be a laughable comparison.
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  7. Barry

    Barry New Member

    Anyone follow Chris Masterjohn's stuff ?

    good at his biochemistry but I sense he lacks a certain something.........

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  8. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    He spoke at Vermont with me and needless to say he stayed for my entire lecture and was pretty intrigued. He has no clue how light dominates metabolic pathways.
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  9. Barry

    Barry New Member

    oh yeah, he lacks an understanding of light as well..... ;-)
  10. kris90

    kris90 New Member

    Yes, he joined us for breakfast on the Sunday in Vermont. I had a bit of a side conversation with him, and he doesn't seem to think ketosis is anything special, and it's basically starvation mode.

    He has not made the connections yet. Seems more of a textbook kind of guy.
  11. Barry

    Barry New Member

    IMG_9216.JPG My question to Chris MasterJohn following his video on fat for performance


    What HIT or endurance sports do you do Chris ?


    Barry I was doing CrossFit Aug 2015-Jan 2017 but now because of other health issues I'm reprioritizing and doing PT 1x/wk bodybuilding with full rests between sets once every 5d and home mobility program from PT every day, so no high intensity work right now.

    enough said.
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  12. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    "health issues"
  13. Hunger4More

    Hunger4More New Member

  14. Barry

    Barry New Member

    Race Update

    so my Wednesday races finished last week. These weren't ultra's.... they were ~10km mountain trail races.

    These were 10km , high intensity, flat out running.

    My highest placing was 3rd. My overall standing after 7 races was 5th. Typically 200 competing.

    I haven't changed my diet or fasted state stuff.

    So I was running faster than ever at a much higher intensity.

    But guys like Chris MasterJohn don't think this is biochemically possible.

    I have nothing personally against him and I was more of a biochemistry guy when I first started here. Thing is, I knew there was more to it. My inkling came from my doing. It's what I keep in referring to.... Skin in the Game.

    " I have no responsibility to be like they expect me to be. It is their mistake, not my failing"
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  15. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    Once again nice update and thanks. Keep the skin in the game and keep going. Proof is in the skin.
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