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Door Slammed on the Ancient Pathway?

Discussion in 'Cold Thermogenesis' started by kc_boxerman@yahoo.com, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. I had a bowl of strawberries. Has the Ancient Pathway been closed? Will it take a long time to open back up (a certain amount of cold). I know the good doctor has an 100/0 approach, I'm looking to understand this consequences of this or a bowl of home made ice cream. My goal for CT (other than being superhuman) is to have my brain bypass my thyroid.

    What do you think. Might there be obvious way to sense the ancient pathway (maybe other than I feel hot)?

  2. Kirstin

    Kirstin New Member

    If you have stayed under the carb limit and are doing the reset, you are probably OK. I think Dr. K has said that these 'cheats' set us back 10-14 days if you are over your carb limit. Other than that, just consider the seasonality of the food - strawberries at this time of year in the northern hemisphere are not optimal.
  3. BenG

    BenG New Member

    The cheats were specifically in reference to the reset. The Carbs shouldn't break adaptation. Dr. K said keep it under 50g. Armstrong and Phelps and Wim are Cold adapted too and don't eat low carb. They just aren't optimal and are killing their stem cells and longevity eating carbs in winter.

  4. Thanks BenG - I was talking cold adaption and not leptin resetting. Dr K seems to indicate that ANY carbs will trigger NPY response that closes the pathway.

    I don't want to be wasting my time if very small "mismatches" ruin the whole thing.
  5. quelsen

    quelsen New Member

    You must understand why things work on a Starship - James Tiberius Kirk

    I am going to be a total nazi here in this forum - This is the optimal forum not the less than optimal lets cheat every chance we get forum.

    Nice i do on MDA and Optimal Health Cave :)

    Whyenell did you eat fruit?

    Carbohydrates are all sugars but all glucose saccharides are not all the same.

    Ingestion of glucose sources during a Ketogenic attempt is not optimal. it is possible with lab work to find the "sweet spot" but then why bother.

    Fructose ( fruit sugar ) is the worst of them all as they fructose molecule passively diffuses into cellular membranes. This means that you cant do anything to stop its movement or its activity. At least with glucose the liver soaks it up and replenishes the muscles first before it does anything else. so theoretically you could east some glucose and not kick yourself out of ketogenisis so long as you are really well established.

    But Fruit..... you may as well just go to Baskin-Robin's and get a HFCS Blizzard. That WILL set you back. How long depends on so many factors it isnt worth the money to run the labs.

    if you want to Keto-CT you walk away from fruit.
  6. Thanks quelsen - I appreciate your thoughtful reply, even if it is a bit ... rigid :)

    It sounds like your saying any fruit will throw a person out of keto. And I assume you believe loss of keto closes the ancient pathway. I'd like to test for this instead of taking yours and doctor K's word for it, but don't know how to test for the ancient pathway like some do with ketosis sticks. I don't think there is an answer out there yet for this (I know doctor K has talked like keto tests are a crutch), but it seems like a whole community of people doing this might figure one out. Especially if it is such a open/closed pathway as doctor K believes it is. That way we can live biologically and psychologically optimal.

    I'm certainly not trying to cheat fruit in as a part of my (fall/winter for sure) regular or even semi-regular diet, but I do have a hard time believing my biology doesn't appreciate a half dozen juicy strawberries on occasion. I know these things depend on goals though, and mine are (a mildly pleasant) life extension and thyroid function management.

    Ok ok I ate the strawberries because the rest went into making homemade fruit leathers for my kids, and I didn't let remainders go to waste...
  7. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    And sometimes you have to walk away from dairy too.... not to be keto - but to be optimal... we all need a good swift kick in the butt occasionally!
  8. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    Tagging on to what Jon said above...

    here's something he posted to us back on MDA

    "Gretchen and et all.

    I want you to concider this one change in the way you talk

    "I cannot" really equals " I choose to not"

    Make that change in your vocabulary today and see what happens"

    Optimal is making a choice... do I choose to be optimal or do I choose not to... for some of us this can become a serious question

    Here's the direct link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread32345-1978.html#post735924
  9. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned

    I outright detest this statement.

    True sometimes. Or not.

    I got forced to make this change during AN treatment and 20 years later it turns out that I, in fact, could not. Never made a choice about my actions/behaviors at. all. A few years ago I yelled out that I'm not making the choice of killing myself and ditched everybody who told me I was.

    I started figuring out why I cannot
    and I finally got better.

  10. Me? Point taken but I don't think I used that word. I said I didn't let the strawberries go to waist (I chose not too).

    The point of the thread really wasn't about excuses or cheating as much trying to understand the mechanism of "the ancient pathway" better. There is apparently some keto/carb trigger and I'm interested in physical effects, as I already understand the "perfect at all times will make the the best I can be" mentality. If the physical biology really changes, there's gotta be some way to know (and I feel hot a lot doesn't count as I'll always feel hot if I'm supposed to).
  11. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned

    I don't think he said that. He even said to bin the keto sticks and go with common sense. Stay in ketosis, with common sense, and biology will take care of the rest.

    I think you're fine. Strawberries right now are probably not the best match but a few carbs from a bowl of fresh fruit won't get you off track much. Even if you got out of ketosis, it wasn't for long...
  12. MJ*

    MJ* New Member

    I love your question and that you are questioning! Dr. Kruse said we should question everything. I hope you get an answer from him on this so you understand the process better.

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