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Deuterium depleted water for Australians ,the options

Discussion in 'Beginners Area' started by Brent Patrick, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. Amber Ament

    Amber Ament New Member

    Bummer, looks like I keep drinking poison cause that's all I can afford at this point. I have no idea what is the most important thing to get first, and everything I need to get so far is out of my price range except a small amount of fish.
    I've always lived simply and I can't stand spending money on myself...I know this is for health, but with only one days work at this stage on an organic farm and online work I get $250 a week for all living expenses - everything. I guess I wait and keep farming my heart out and hope that trees start fruiting soon so I can get more income happening....until then, wish me luck?! Thank you for your reply.
  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @"Amber Ament

    Possibly it is different in Australia.
    In my place
    Parsippany NJ 07054 USA
    RO water is cheap.
    RO water sold at Costco is not only cheap but it is (relatively) low in deuterium.
    I tested this water.
    while my tap water tested at 150.20ppm
    There is relatively simple way to freeze water and remove some deuterium.
    It requires thermometer, freezer and bottle (say 1.5 L)
    Put bottle with water in the freezer in standing position, insert thermometer.
    Check periodically water temperature, specially when it is getting close to zero Celsius.
    You want to chill water to temperature that is very close to zero C, but the water still have to be liquid.
    When there,
    take the bottle out, remove thermometer, screw on cap.
    Shake water for short time, look into the bottle, you should see little ice floating
    That is D2O , heavy water.
    Heavy water freezes first.
    pour water out to another bottle
    pour it to the other bottle thru sieve to catch the ice.
    Now you have somewhat deuterium depleted water.
    You can repeat this process as many times as you like, volume loses are minimal.

    My friend in Poland did that and tested that resultant water after one freezing, he got:
    Unfortunately he did not tested his water before freezing.

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  3. Inger

    Inger Silver

    This is how I freeze my Volvic spring water too. Sometimes I do not catch it before it is more frozen... it is kinda tricky without an alarm clock/watch. Often when I shake it it all magically changes to snow water! It is really cool to watch.... first I see only water, then I shake the bottle, and like magic, it becomes snowy!
    Then I let it through a sieve. I lose anything from 1/10 to 1/8 I guess....but that is fine. Volvic cost me about 1 euro/liter, it is not too much.
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  4. Amber Ament

    Amber Ament New Member

    Back again, wanting to find out what water I can buy from anywhere in Australia that is better than what I am getting from the tank. I can't find any concrete answers in this post unless I have overlooked something.
    I was led to believe that there was no fluoride in our rainwater, and I thought this to be so until last week - so bloody frustrated, I honestly thought the entire time I was collecting rainwater (for over 3 years when I lived where I could only drink fluoridated water) - that it was 'better'. I feel like an idiot on so many levels since being here.
    I read somewhere in these forums that S.Pelllergrino was recommended, I bought a bottle yesterday and read the label when I got home and it contains fluoride!?
    I read somewhere else that Pureau water was the one to get onto, even though it was still from Australia. This is the spiel on their website, http://www.noblebeverages.com/why-pureau/the-pureau-process/:

    "Noble Beverages uses a proprietary three-stage filtration method for its water called the “Pureau Process”. Absolutely no treatment chemicals are used during the process, nor is ozonation, chlorine or UV. It’s also important to note that Pureau is not distilled water – distillation is not part of the Pureau Process.

    The first stage consists of various filters which remove chlorides, metals, sodium, fluoride and inorganic minerals like nitrates. These filters include various types of carbon and other media we have developed over the years to purify and soften the water for the great taste that is unique to Pureau.

    In the second stage, the water undergoes reverse osmosis. At a high-pressure, the water is forced through membranes which once again remove any remaining water contaminants down to micron levels.

    The third stage consists of biological filters, which can remove substances down to 0.2 microns. As the reverse osmosis is so incredibly effective, these filters are used primarily as a security measure to ensure the water is 100% pure.

    In addition to the filtration process, all piping is food-grade stainless steel. This piping is steam sterilised every morning for 45 minutes prior to production commencing.

    To ensure the purity of our water, samples of Pureau are sent daily to ALS Laboratories for testing. ALS is an independent government accredited laboratory and they provide us with a full biological report confirming the absence of impurities prior to the products leaving our facility.

    The end result of the Pureau process is water that’s 100 times more pure than the purity requirements of the World Health Organisation and the Australian National Food Authority Standards. Because of Pureau’s purity, we are the only supplier of survival drinking water to the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) via their Aircraft Life Support Equipment Division."

    I am really confused. Should I drink this one or not? Of course the write up on the site is going to read well and I'm not anyone special that knows anything about this stuff. Any assistance would be appreciated, no rush, I'm still alive at this stage. :alien::thumbsup:
    P.S. I just went back and re-read this thread...I am still confused, you all seem to drink SP if i read correctly, but on the bottle it says it contains fluorides...I thought we are supposed to avoid that first and foremost?
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2019
  5. Jude

    Jude Gold

    @"Amber Ament
    Amber, It certainly is frustrating:confused:
    Town water vs tank water.....I'd still use the tank. We did till we got all sorted.
    Have a reverse osmosis plant in our local area...nsw, so am lucky have access to 1l and 15l bottles. Use S. Vittoria as well. When away we buy Pureau cause it's cheap, easy and very drinkable:)
    Don't stress too much, implement what you can, note any changes, just cutting out my tea drinking removed my huge fluoride intake;)
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  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Fluoride is everywhere.
    Use (excessively) lugols to push out fluoride and other halides.

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  7. Amber Ament

    Amber Ament New Member

    I have been using dulse, or wakame which contains iodine for the last 2 years after reading up about iodine a bit more at that time. It seems to make me function better when I do remember to include it daily, I think, but I have also read after two weeks you should have a rest from it? Is the iodine in these products enough or should I be getting the lugols too (I had to look that up before I wrote this). Is there a particular lugol solution I should get over others? Generally I would get Australian made and owned wherever possible, coming from a ground-up perspective in regards to the environment, and now I'm not sure about doing that at all anymore with the donut hole. I feel that importing good stuff only has more negative effects on the environment (our kids future) using jet-fuel to get it here and now knowing 5G is on all planes.... is our food being radiated in a way everytime we import? Sorry for so many questions.
    Thanks so much for responding JanSz & Jude
  8. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

    I put my water in a stainless steel saucepan, in the freezer, for about 2 hours. The water that first freezes forms a thin, transparent shell next to the metal and across the top. It's very subtle, but if I run a finger over the top, it feels slightly sticky. I poke a hole through the ice in the top and pour the water in the middle into a jug and discard the ice. I don't do it with volvic though because I'm after the silicon, and I don't know how much I lose in the ice. With the number of oysters you eat, I doubt that's an issue.:D
  9. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

    Hi Amber, the fluoride that is added to tap water is not the same as naturally occurring fluoride in a mineral water. So if you avoid fluoridated tap water and limit consumption of crops grown in areas where fluoridated water is used for watering, avoid non stick pans, avoid toothpastes etc that contain it etc, then you can keep exposure to a minimum. Tea is a natural source of fluoride, so I try not to drink much, and use the second dunk teabag method. http://fluoridealert.org/issues/sources/ might give you a better overview. I get my iodine mainly from seaweeds and sea salt. Curcumin, a compound in turmeric, is also protective against fluoride.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969660/ Curcumin attenuates neurotoxicity induced by fluoride: An in vivo evidence

    Don't be panicked by one number on a bottle of water, I'm currently drinking up to 1L of San Pellegrino a day for something else that's in it in a much higher amount ...If I needed to I'd drink more. On balance a small amount of natural fluoride (as opposed to crap added to already crap water) is not a deal breaker in the overall context of everything else I'm doing in terms of iodine and turmeric, and fluoride avoidance. I don't use Lugols, which may or may not be the right decision for you, but I'd suggest going for the low hanging fruit first. You may not need it, and its not something I'd play around with as a newbie. As Caroline would say .... baby steps. :D
  10. Amber Ament

    Amber Ament New Member

    Thank you so much Sue, learning more and more. I take tumeric paste I make myself daily - up to 1-2tsps so that is awesome to hear. I don't drink much tea at all, mainly herbal and always loose leaf because of the plastic in teabags. No idea about crops I am currently eating from though - something to look into. I grow my own mostly, but just starting over so a vege patch is on the way, and 120 fruit trees being restored.
    I really trying not to panic, it's in my nature....or maybe just because of where I live? Thanks for taking the time to send me links, cheers :thumbsup:
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  11. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    There is a post here of a person who was eating seafood and eating seaweeds
    came very low on iodine when tested.

    In a way that was lucky.
    Because if he would came ok on test that would put him to sleep on this subject.

    We need overload of lugols to displace the undesired halides.

    When thinking about type of lugols
    make sure that it contains
    potassium Iodide

    Many advertised products have only iodine.
    You are in Australia.
    For me the cheapest product (found by @drezy )

    .CROW'S® Lugol's Solution of Iodine 2% Pro Pack-As low as $7.99 ea. bottle + Free US & Canada Shipping!
    Professional Packs: 24-2 oz.($8.49 ea.) $203.76 -----

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  12. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

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  14. Amber Ament

    Amber Ament New Member

    Awesome, another thing to add to the list! The postage costs are more than the product. Cheapest I can find for one bottle on ebay is $52AU....($37US). Maybe I can't give up my online job just yet, ugh. The wakame I am having contains potassium (not potassium Iodide), not sure about the others as I jarred them and don't have the nutritional info. Thank you for being so helpful...I can't wait to get all this stuff...only 2.5more months until I can live a little easier.
    I wonder if there anyone else in the Sunshine Coast region that would like to buy in bulk to save on costs? I will update my optimal journey and try to find another. :D
  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

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  16. caroline

    caroline New Member

    In Oz ...we want water from Northern Europe. We mostly drink San benedetto from Aldi ...and Pellegrino from Woolies or Coles when on special - which is surprisingly often.

    Have you seen the Ozzie thread?
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  17. Amber Ament

    Amber Ament New Member

    I thought this was the Ozzie thread? And yes I am kicking myself for questioning the Pellegrino, it was on sale the day I was asking further questions...and then when I went in the next day the sale was over again. :oops:
    The name of this thread is
    "Deuterium depleted water for Australians ,the options"
  18. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Please list reasons for using Northern Europe's water.
    What Oz water have or do not have that is better in Northern Europe's water?

  19. drezy

    drezy New Member

    @JanSz is the implication that the local AUS rainwater is high high high deuterium?
  20. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    How high?
    Standard water have 155.76ppm
    In my kitchen sink water have 150.02ppm
    When my friend in Poland have freezes his water once and tested
    he got 145.084ppm

    I suspect that AUS water can be freezed once, max twice and have less D then my tap water.

    And @drezy
    please help with iodine/potassium iodide for AUS
    Lugols is expensive there but the veterinary version is likely just fine for humans.

    That should put down most discussions about halides.
    Fluoride and other.

    As I posted here:


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