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Dairy & Calcium

Discussion in 'The Epi-Paleo Diet' started by Tfreeman, Jan 9, 2020.

  1. Tfreeman

    Tfreeman New Member

    I've given up all dairy for about 3 weeks now including butter because of a small allergen panel that showed .27 kU/L reaction to dairy, so basically nothing. But I figured if it did come up in the panel it could potentially be causing some sort of immune reaction/inflammation and that I should avoid it.

    I've repalced butter with Ghee and obviously do not need dairy. But all the sudden my nails have become soft and brittle. I've had extremely strong nails my entire life so this was new. Could I already be lacking calcium? Does anyone take a calcium supplement? Dr. Kruse says to stay away from calcium, and I thought I'm eating enough vegetables, but maybe not.

    Thoughts on supplementing calcium and issues with soft/brittle nails?
  2. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    Dr Kruse said stay away from supplemental calcium? Makes sense to me. Last thing you want is excess calcium sloshing through your arteries and veins.

    If you consuming lots of green foliage foods and other nutritious goodies you probably are getting sufficient amounts of Ca-- but I suppose you could get tested if you are really concerned about a deficiency.

    Advisable to consume Magnesium in appropriate ratio to Ca, and take vitamin K2 to ensure Ca goes to where it should in body instead of lodging in circulatory system.
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  3. drezy

    drezy New Member

    My wife son and I are 3 years or so into eating about one onion and 4 garlic cloves each a week as the total vegetable content of our diet.

    All is fine and good.

    I think one of the hardest things to do learning here is to start putting down the food(as cures and as supplements) and looking way more closely at the environment and the exposure that especially your surfaces experience. I can't tell you how important that last factor is.

    I'm a foodie too and stick to that even though this week alone I've made a Panang curry, Pad Thai, sage breakfast sausage, jalapeño sausage, mortadella, Singapore street noodles,karaage chicken, and 48 deviled kimchi eggs all from scratch. So, I love talking food. I just don't see its 1/100th as important as environment and skin in the game.
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  4. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Correction: I also have a corned beef brining away in my fridge and have to decide when to cook it
  5. Stephen W

    Stephen W Silver

    Can consuming higher calcium from diet or supplements affects calcium channel operation? Eg. More exitation?
  6. In Jack’s Blog - https://optimalklubs.com/the-food-versus-light-lesson-not-to-be-missed/ he says:

    Sunlight is a calcium channel blocker that alters the firing rate of voltage-gated channels on cells. This alters the free radical signal in mitochondria. This is done in a few ways with sunlight. UVA light = NO release from arteries to improve the microcirculation and INHIBIT CCO = lowers BP and slows ECT transort simulataneously decreasing the NEED for foodstuffs. More critically, nature mandates by terrestrial sunlight construction that the blue light in sun balanced by red light also stimulates melanopsin relaxation of the arterioles in our skin as another simulataneous collateral effect. This one reason why just going outside in the sun and clean air reduces depression and anxiety because sunlight slows breathing and improves oxygenation for mitochondrial function. When this quantize aspect is off because the lighting is man made things that normally go on in the mitochondria do not irrespective of the food stuff consumed.
  7. Stephen W

    Stephen W Silver

    Funny thing though I’m looking for the opposite effect.
    I seem to suffer all the side effects of calcium channel blockers (although I don’t take them) and my hair mineral test showed my magnesium levels much higher than all my other minerals, and magnesium is a natural calcium channel blocker.

    I need more calcium channel opening I believe..
  8. Are you supplementing with Zinc? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7836627/
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  9. Stephen W

    Stephen W Silver

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  10. Stephen W

    Stephen W Silver

  11. Here's a few to start with
    Dietary Factors Influencing Magnesium Absorption in Humans http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=

    A moderately high intake compared to a low intake of zinc depresses magnesium balance and alters indices of bone turnover in postmenopausal women https://www.nature.com/articles/1601867

    Factors that affect zinc bioavailability and losses in adult and elderly populations https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/nure.12105

    Minerals (Zn, Fe, Ca and Mg) and Antinutrient (Phytic Acid) Constituents in Common Bean https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5983041/

    Dietary Factors Influencing Zinc Absorption https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/130/5/1378S/4686381
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  12. Stephen W

    Stephen W Silver

    Thanks so much! Legend
  13. JonathanHodges

    JonathanHodges New Member

    I've never liked dairy products, but my parents forced me to eat them when I was a child...
    It's sad when you are forced to eat something that you don't like.
    Well, excluding milk from your diet can affect your health. You'll quickly notice that your nails become brittle. At the same time, the doctor tells you to stay away from an overabundance of calcium. Strange. You can take the necessary amount of calcium for your body.
    My nails, hair, and teeth have also deteriorated with age, which was to be expected— the overall state of health doesn't usually improve in elder people. I take thorne supplements. Maybe the cause is not the exclusion of milk from your diet?
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2021
  14. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @John Schumacher
    Any suggestions on how to increase my magnesium?
    Test results show me when taking a decent amount of zinc.
    Seeing the test results, I have increased my zinc supplementation.
    As is on my test results, my stools were just right.
    When I add magnesium supplements, I get diarrhea.
    Diarrhea goes away in few days when I stop magnesium.

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  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

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  17. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @John Schumacher
    There is:
    2013 January webinar (Mitochondrial Rx)

    As usual, most of the stuff Jack talks about goes way over my head.
    When answering my shortcomings of magnesium some or all answers are likely in that webinar.

  18. Apteryx

    Apteryx New Member

    @JanSz if I may please ask you - what form, or forms are you taking?

    Chloride / oxide / citrate / malate / glycinate ... ?

    Recently, out of interest, came across BBB-crossing form, also an amino acid chelate (threonate) - via discussion of it raised by Feldman.
  19. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Right now I am not taking any magnesium.
    LabCorp (magnesium RBC 5.9(4.2 - 6.8) indicates that I have plenty.
    Also Spectracell moved up.
    When I take magnesium diarrhea ensues.

    PG/E2 ratio?? | Page 12 | Jack Kruse Optimal Health Forum
    This MD prefers magnesium threonate.

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