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Cycloset and FBG update, oh my!

Discussion in 'The Leptin Rx' started by kathylu, Aug 8, 2012.

  1. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    Thanks. It's been a long year & 1/2 to get here. If you go back and read the monster thread on MDA you'll see how much I fought Jack every step of the way. Only now am I pulling together everything together.
  2. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest


    I tried going up to 5x.8mg cycloset -and even w/the extra fat breakfast couldn't get past the nausea. So I backed off to 4x.8mg and I'm sitting pretty. learned something interesting this week at my PCP. she said according to the drug rep, that you won't necessarily see your FBG drop, but your post meal BG won't spike.

    I'm still running in the mid to high 90's for my FBG... unless I sleep in. then its in the mid to upper 80's. Last night I forgot to take my metformin w/my meal...and I took it right before bed... my FBG this am was 90, even at 545 am! we'll see if I may have stumbled upon something... right now I'm only on 500mg metformin - but we'll probably go up to 1000mg in the next 4wks.

    Also, there was another thread that discussed that in some ppl, regular coffee consumption can cause an increased FBG. that's got me thinking...as I love my BPC. but this tidbit gives me something to think about...
  3. Shijin13

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  4. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    The first time you read a blog, the real meaning passes you by........why? because you were who you were then......as you travel the road to optimal you slowly adapt......when you go back and re read the blogs they suddenly have a new meaning to you because you are no longer who you were........and this new understanding you get is proof that thoughts change your DNA and your mind as you go..........You are not who you were then.......so go back and re read. Gretchen has found that tap of optimal. It will continue to breathe new life into your journey.
  5. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    bringing this bad girl back to life...

    ran a n=1 experiment last night... I didn't have a chance to CT yesterday afterwork b/c I had to adjust my schedule to to take Havoc to speech therapy in the morning - so instead I worked 11am- 6pm

    Normally after dinner - I take 500mg of metformin. in the am my FBG is usually in the range of 90-100 If I'm getting up before the sun, and not CTing the night before.

    well last night I took 1000mg of metformin after dinner... this morning my FBG was under 90, w/o CTing, even though I got up at the zero dark 30...

    sent an email to my pcp - and asked her if it would be a good test to take the 1000mg for a month to see how it helped lower FBG... she said yes.

    sometimes you've got to step outside both your comfort zone, and that of your docs doing an n=1 to see if you might be different from the "normal" rules of treatment. one size does not fit all... each of us are different and we respond differently to things based upon our epigenetics... pay attention, your body knows what it needs.

    All I can say is those 2 500mg pills started "Calling" to me yesterday morning... so I decided yesterday evening after dinner - why not? it will make a difference or it won't. intuitively I knew the 1000mg would make a difference... but my PCP was hesitant b/c literature said at my FBG levels 500mg should have worked.


    LESSON: I am my N=1. it is the only thing that drives my health.
  6. MamaGrok

    MamaGrok New Member

    What happens if you take cycloset for gut & hormones, but your FBG is already in the 70s?
  7. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    It can help reset am dopamine & am cortisol
    As far as BG my understanding ifixing the am dopamine & cortisol helps control post pirandrial BG spikes. But I could be wrong
  8. MamaGrok

    MamaGrok New Member

    My concern is whether there might be an adverse effect since the FBG is already low.
  9. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    Might be a good generic ask jack question. I don't know Kathylu might have a good answer for this as well
  10. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    It may lower your Mg...... lower your HDL raise your LDL and TG's and raise your HCY level.......if it does this then we worry about a methylation issue. Thankfully it is not too common.
  11. Charlotte

    Charlotte New Member

    Shijin, you got me thinking. I noticed something too and now I seem to remember. I read somewhere quite a while ago that coffee can raise BG level. Lately I have come to drink coffee in the morning. I never did like coffee and had my first cup at age 29. Did not like it then either and quit again. Just lately I picked it up and now I do like it, but I noticed that my FBG is higher than it used to be. Since I am not taking any medications, eat no carbs except what is in green salads and veggies, am in deep ketosis (up to 4) it may be the coffee. As it is now app. 10 points up in the mornings. Still low (82 this morning), I had 101 the other day, when I had 6 cups of coffee throughout the day. So I have to see, if this is it. I will cancel it for a while and see.
  12. caroline

    caroline New Member

    All of a sudden - I seem to be noticing bloating from coffee. I was drinking a very expensive brand before and just switched to something cheaper. I think it is a mould factor. Charlotte have you heard of the coffee exec? on Jack's where to get stuff - you will be directed to his site. I have noticed this mould thing first hand.
  13. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    bloating from coffee is a sure sign of a Mag def. Consider Mg oratate 1 hr prior to bed 200 to 350 mgs
  14. Eve

    Eve New Member

    For those on Cycloset, have you noticed any difference in your leaky gut? Are you able to tolerate more foods now?
  15. sharon@gohomeky.com

    sharon@gohomeky.com New Member

    New here and a bit overwhelmed by all the info.

    Curious about the question posed by the poster above regarding help with food intolerances after taking Cycloset.

    Also -- I can't seem to find where Jack addresses the proposed time frame for taking Cycloset other than one poster mentioned 6 months or so. What specific markers are we looking for to determine if we've accomplished our goal with the Cycloset and does one usually need to taper off?

    About me: history of adrenal issues, somewhat improved but still showing low end of range morning CT and high end of range evening CT. Very low DHEA, low Testosterone, slightly low PG despite supplemental PG cream, 101 FBG last test 2 months ago.

    Dr. is willing to try me on Cycloset, but she has no experience using it for this type of treatment and would like to give her an idea of the sample protocol to use.
  16. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    cycloset is for those with a poor ASI. Low AM cortisol, high fasting blood sugars, Low IGF1 and bad melotonins.....and an upside down PG /E 2 ratio

    It is not for everyone but it helps reset your chronobiology.
  17. sharon@gohomeky.com

    sharon@gohomeky.com New Member

    I'm aware of all that, which is why I'm interested in Cycloset.

    What would really be helpful is to have more information about the recommended protocol for using Cycloset for this purpose. E.g.: how to determine correct dosage and how long is a typical regimine? What lab markers am I looking at to determine whether the protocol has reached maximum effectiveness? I know there are many hormones/markers it affects, but what I'm asking is what are the most important markers of improvement to indicate recovery has been reached? Also, is it recommended to taper off Cycloset once these markers have been reached or to continue on for a time period. If it's to continue taking it, what time frame are we looking at?

    As I mentioned previously, I'm trying to relay a general outline of your recommended protocol to my doctor and it's impossible to piece together from bits and blurbs on various readers blog posts.

    And to repeat what the previous poster asked: has anyone with leaky gut noticed an improvement in food sensitivities after taking Cycloset?
  18. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    we talked about extensively in the EPCOTx webinar........so yes it has a big effect. Right now there is only two people I know of one cycloset from ed consults........none have had leaky gut but my wife did and I use it among other things to get her right.

    The EMF Rx has a lot of what you want but it is not live as yet.
  19. sharon@gohomeky.com

    sharon@gohomeky.com New Member

    While I'm waiting on the EMF Rx to go live, can you give me a general idea of the length of time one needs to stay on Cycloset? Is it something that may be needed for years or even forever?
  20. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    how long your on is dependent upon your ASI - if you're using it to fix your circadian cycles.

    there are some of us who are using it for that as well as FBG management.

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