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Coffee and the gut......what is the 5G problem?

Discussion in 'Adrenal Rx and Leaky Gut Rx' started by Jack Kruse, Jun 15, 2019.

  1. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Coffee us is unwise in a 5 G world but what about caffeine in our beverages? Now we have data that Caffeine harms bacteria in gut here is link................https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6896325

    The gut has more stores of serotonin in it than any other organ. What is the topologic effect of coffee/caffeine on the gut no one is speaking of?
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    Caffeine disrupts dopamine and serotonin regulation....because the caffeine molecule (1,3,7 trimethylxanthine) mimics adenosine; therefore, our adenosine receptors take the caffeine molecule instead of adenosine.......BIG problem is that adenosine has a role in dopamine and serotonin regulation.....no adenosine received due to caffeine mimicry = dopamine and serotonin dysregulation = possible mental cognitive problems due to changes and swings in dopamine.
     
  2. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    And yet coffee, a bit like the promotion of wine for alcohol lovers, is touted as a great health-promoting food because of its supposed benefits, a growing list now as long as my arm.

    Among many other benefits, caffeine " ... blocks the inhibitory neurotransmitter adenosine.When this happens, the amount of other neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine increases ..."

    This whole health/nutrition field is rife with contradictions and incomplete understanding. Sometimes it seems you have to practice moderation in all things because you never what nasty surprises will spring out of left field.

    By the way, I abstain from drinking coffee anyway.
     
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  3. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    In a 5g world I would think the same applies to wine.
     
  4. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    As a well versed semi-recovering addict I've always known it was bad. Would lift my mood for 15 minutes then feel worse than before the hit afterwards and usually remainder of the day. Maybe the smallest doses after a meal nothing more than a single espresso shot wouldn't be detrimental in grand scheme. I restarted drinking cold brews with almond milk after becoming cold adapted but really need to give it up again. Only if I didn't enjoy the taste so much.

    Ultimately need to change my environment or up my meditative conditioning, better both.
     
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  5. Jenny S

    Jenny S Gold

    Does this mean I have to give up eating dark chocolate. Don't like coffee.
     
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  6. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    Trace amounts nothing to worry about. Real heirloom cacao not drenched in pesticides and sugar is probably the only non-native food biophotonically I'll never give up.
     
  7. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    Cacao is my favorite superfood. The Mayas and Aztecs did not call it 'Food of the Gods' for nothing.

    Unfortunately, caffeine and theobromine in cacao do have powerful psychoactive and physiological effects on body, so one must consume cacao in strict moderation (although I would absolutely love to eat it several times per day).

    Some of us prefer dark chocolate in traditional candy bar form. But even so-called healthy natural brands pile on a lot of 'organic fair trade cane sugar' in their bars. Except for a few more trace minerals, I don't see it essentially as any better than ordinary white table sugar.

    There are some non-sugar chocolate treats out there. Lily's brand makes them with stevia as a sweetener. Much better for you.

    Pure raw, powdered, unalkalized cacao without sugar is the best. Some health pundits even recommend a small snack of dark chocolate bar before bedtime, but I am convinced that practice would screw up your circadian biology and bring more grief than good.

    Of course, only organic cacao should touch your lips. There is reported to be a lot of irresponsible and unsustainable practices in cacao industry-- so watch out. That admonition applies to all our foods these days.
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2019
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  8. Brent Patrick

    Brent Patrick Silver


    It now becomes apparent coffee doesn't make you "bulletproof" after all ;)
     
  9. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    Dave Asprey, the Bulletproof Executive, certainly had a marketing brainstorm with his line of coffee products. I like his simple but effective step of adding good butter to a cup of coffee.

    Along with other entrepreneurs like marketing genius Ben Greenfield, they are remaking the whole field of health supplements.

    Still, I would not bother drinking it. My stomach churns at the thought of it. To each his own.
     
  10. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    Amphetamines are the most prescribed drug in this country, coffee's basically an over the counter version of it. Toxic fuel for the microwaved working class.

    Skipped coffee and tea yesterday because of this thread. Ocean CT this morning replaced my caffeine desires.
     
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  11. Brent Patrick

    Brent Patrick Silver


    Agree he obviously is a very good marketeer.

    I guess I would only drink butter with tea which was the original recipe if I was to climb mount Everest


    https://www.eater.com/2016/8/25/12624068/butter-coffee-tea-tibet-yak
     
    Last edited: Jun 18, 2019
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  12. caroline

    caroline Moderator

    I have had tea with Yak butter ....wish I could say that I like it......
     
  13. Brent Patrick

    Brent Patrick Silver


    I have never tried it with Tea Caroline only Coffee and it was overrated to say the least.
     
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  14. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    Found a caffeine free local tea replacement that I'm excited about, lemon verbena, mint, and rose petals.

    Going to ask the gardener/teamaker to make me some with just lemon verbena and rose petals next time.
     
  15. Jenny S

    Jenny S Gold

    Found I like dandelion & chicory tea
     
  16. NDC74

    NDC74 New Member

    Just bought a ecopy of Optimized Cooking and one of the winter solstice recipe is optimal coffee. If caffeine is bad, why is it included in the eCookbook?
     
  17. Jackie Nelson

    Jackie Nelson New Member

    I used to want caffeine occasionally, but my new salt / Mg / potassium morning mix has completed stopped the feeling that I need an artificial jolt. It works GREAT! Also like to add some gelatin ... good for so many things. Think of a mineral rich warm broth soup as a caffeine replacement ... see if it works for you.
     
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  18. Martha Ray

    Martha Ray New Member

    What brand products do you put in your salt / Mg / potassium morning mix ? In what measurements?

    I have Celtic Sea Salt, Liquid Angstrom Magnesium http://www.angstrom-mineral.com/angstrom-minerals/angstrom-magnesium.html, 1 packet of Vital Proteins Unflavored Collagen Peptides ( I just bought a sample packet yesterday - not at all sure about brand quality says Bovine hide collagen peptides 10g Collagen per serving ) and 1 Teaspoon of Cream of Tartar for Potassium? Also maybe some Sole or Ghee? Think those would those work? Maybe mixed into homemade stock or Kettle and Fire beef bone broth for the complete mineral rich warm broth soup.

    I am so sensitive to so many things... not sure I might blow up...I'm not great with chemicals or cooking.
     
  19. Jackie Nelson

    Jackie Nelson New Member

    I just use Mrs Rogers low sodium salt (for pottasium and magnesium) but this contains anti-caking agent and ammonium chloride ... sounds not good, but so far, it is working. Also add a bit of white bulk sea salt and bit of stevia. Stopped putting gelatin in because I prefer it cold gelled. Sometimes add some organic vege broth mix from bulk section. Am in New Zealand ... choices limited here. I only put a tiny pinch of each one. I'd suggest putting very small amounts ... a tsp is a lot! Always experimenting ... also whip in a bit of coconut oil and ghee ... cuts the appetite. Good luck.
     
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  20. Martha Ray

    Martha Ray New Member



    Thank you Jackie Nelsen! Where did you get the idea of doing this?

    Did not see any idea like it in Mrs. Rogers food receipes. BTW Recipes had too much sugar and cabs for me but many did sound interesting...I would love to find a Paleo Banana skins bread as I've been interested in banana skins for sleep...most likely not right for me anyway because I'm at 38th Latitude. I have seen people here trying to grow banans in the summers but I never saw them produce any bananas.

    Back to Mrs. Rogers Iodised Low Sodium Salt Mix.....I'm in the United States not sure if I can buy Mrs. Rogers Salt here. Two things I've not given up so far are 'sea salt and good fats' and I crave both. Will review book 'The Salt Fix' tand search online see if i can find Mineral breakfast / coffee substitute covered. I very rarely drink organic decaf coffee but consider it a drug I do not need.

    Mrs. Rogers says on her website...

    "My Iodised Low Sodium Salt mix is a carefully balanced blend of Fossil Sea Salt & mineral salts, giving a rich salty taste experience, similar to table salt or sea salt but with 66% less sodium than table salt. In addition, the natural mineral content also contributes to a healthy diet.

    Suggested Uses

    With flavour strength similar to table or sea salt, simply use the same amount as normal salt.

    Use to replace table salt in all cooking, or at the table to season your dish.

    To avoid over seasoning, a good rule is to add a little at the start of cooking & more to taste before serving.

    Avoid use over steam, keep in a cool dry place.

    The Variety

    My Iodised Low Sodium Salt Mix is specially formulated, blended & packed in New Zealand. Containing:
    Sea Salt (49%), Mineral Salts (46%) (Potassium Chloride, Magnesium Chloride), Ammonium Chloride, Potassium Iodate (E917), Anti-caking Agent (551)

    For Your Appreciation

    Sodium occurs naturally in most foods, so it is usually best to keep any added sodium in your diet to a minimum. Using Iodised Low Sodium Salt mix is a sensible way to reduce your daily sodium intake, without reducing flavour, and will have you on your way to a healthier diet."
     

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