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Chemtrails - are they real?

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Inger, Mar 7, 2016.

  1. Quantum1

    Quantum1 New Member

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    Great video here shows NASA using a device to make toxic clouds - the device is near New Orleans. Talk about shocking


     
  2. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    With life on earth destined to live in diminished and diluted natural sunlight (due to geoengineering, Grand Solar Minimum solar cycle, lower TSI, and probably increased volcanic activity = dust in atmosphere) one really wonders if we are screwed no matter what we do, at least in short-medium term.

    Not all of us can or will flee to foreign countries in equatorial regions to catch the most rays still available (I am staying put and riding it out in mid-latitudes).

    What a conundrum of human history.
     
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  3. jeebs

    jeebs New Member

    I prefer to use the term “geoengineering” (unless I know someone is onboard with chemtrail as real) because of the fact that a large number of geoengineering patents exist. No one goes through the trouble and expense of submitting patents unless they are going to be used or keep someone from using the technology.

    Planes have flown over my head every day my whole life and I too remember the days when skies were blue.

    Just go to an air show and jet pilots will turn on their sprayers right before they do a cool loop-dee-loop so you can see the path flown. I hear sprayers on commercial aircraft can be turned on/off remotely via satellite tracking.

    new clouds old clouds.JPG

    Speaking of geoengineering (modified weather), YT: Captured On Radar, Geoengineered Winter Weather Over Atlantic City, NJ (Dec. 6, 2018). Chemical ice nucleation is being used to turn rain to snow. This YT includes a demonstration turning water to ice practically instantly. See “Weather modification method” US Patent 3613992 A. Prior to that YT I’d seen photos of “ice boulders” and I’ve heard that giant hail was used against VW in Mexico (denting their cars on the open lot) and VW fought back with hail cannons to stop the giant hail balls, but the farmers were complaining about the droughts the weather weapons caused so VW’s weather weapons are only on manual mode now instead of automatic mode. Fun times we live in!

     
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  4. tallweeds

    tallweeds Silver

    I've seen the trails get turned on and off many times now in central Kansas.
     
  5. Tom Win

    Tom Win New Member

    Why not just shoot every plane out of the sky so pilots gonna shit in their pants fearing their lives and not spray anymore. Scumbags.
     
  6. Christina Gagnon

    Christina Gagnon New Member

    It is all so heartbreaking - there is so much information out there on chem trails that has convinced me that they are real but I really already knew they were real by my own observation. When I first moved into our home and was gardening the soil was teaming with insects (I even saw a rhinoceros-beetle once) - it's shocking how few insects I see now. Also the trees are dying and so sick-looking. My whole world around me looks sick and the clouds are anything but normal.
     
  7. Katie Durham

    Katie Durham New Member

    Something I noticed a few years ago was that I never ever saw suspect chemtrails when the natural clouds were strictly the puffy white cumulus fair weather type, associated with an unstable air mass. Any hint of cirrus and chemtrails could show up. That had me wondering the extent to which lengthy Xtrails are weather related – in other words, is there something about atmospheric conditions that prevent long Xtrails from forming in unstable air? Has anyone else noticed this, and if so do you have an opinions about it?

    EPA regulates jet fuel under the Federal Clean Air Act. Opacity is an issue in certain FCAA programs, like industrial stack emissions. So many thousands of pages of regulations, I never confirmed whether the EPA regulates opacity of jet fuel. But EPA could have blessed various changes in fuel formulations over the years that could have resulted in longer Xtrails from contrails.

    Isn’t it also possible that other manmade changes to the atmosphere (nnEMF, whatever) may have changed how quickly contrails disintegrate?

    I have never seen these possibilities discussed. I’m not disputing there are chemtrails, just questioning whether all long Xtrails must be chemtrails, which is what I assumed at one time.
     
  8. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    There are those that argue 'chemtrails' are really regular jet contrails that are being morphed into chemtrails (spreading, diffuse cloud-like phenomena that have strange refractive properties) by a huge increase in cosmic ray flux recently in our atmosphere. Maybe, but I would like to see some real science behind that statement (cosmic ray flux increase is real and has been documented). In any case, I would rebut this theory by the simple observation that chemtrail patterns often do not follow airline routes but involve strange grid patterns and Vs and Xs made by unmarked aircraft.

    Others also say that non-natural cloud formations (we can see some really weird clouds these days if you care to tilt your head to observe and ponder-- the average sheared sheeple apparently does not) can also be attributed to HAARP and other RF/microwave radiation interventions in our atmosphere.

    A piece of evidence that strongly defends idea that chemtrails are real and actually are aerosol particle injections in stratosphere is a dramatic increase in human heavy metal toxic burdens recently. Dr Klinghardt cites informally about lab studies in recent past compared to today that reveal a striking increase in people's aluminum and other toxic metals stored in body tissues. A smoking gun if ever there was one.

    Dr Klinghardt believes that metals like aluminum in body cause much more adverse affects with exposure to RF microwaves.
     
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  9. Katie Durham

    Katie Durham New Member

    I'm not disputing whether chemtrails are real. I am questioning why I never see them in unstable skies alongside puffy cumulus clouds and wondering if anyone has an answer to this and what other questions it may raise.
     
  10. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    Frankly I haven't noticed a relationship between cumulus cloud skies and presence (or lack of) of chemtrails. I will keep a look out for this. Unless I am mistaken, cumulus are fair weather clouds in stable conditions (thermal convection currents produce them). In unstable atmospheric conditions you are more likely to see cumulonimbus clouds.

    Cumulus are among the lowest altitude clouds-- about 2-3,000 feet.

    Most of cloud formations I see these days are stratus, stratocumulus, and altocumulus (high altitude). Completely sunny blue sky days (no clouds) are an amazing rarity. Beautiful fair weather cumulus (partly sunny days) seem to be a bit lacking in current climate too (Midwest).

    On these frequent cloudy days there could be significant atmospheric spraying above cloud deck but we wouldn't know it.

    We are likely to see more cloudy days overall as we progress into Grand Solar Minimum. So enjoy sunny days whenever you can.
     
  11. Katie Durham

    Katie Durham New Member

    Thanks, I may be confusing my clouds. This comes from having been very active at hawk migration lookouts in the northeast, where if hawks are not flying we’re stuck chatting about the weather. The big flights in the fall occur after clearing cold fronts, when sunny skies create strong thermal upcurrents and fair weather clouds. (And assuming a favorable tailwind.) The days that follow are increasingly more populated by cirrus clouds, and hawks do not get lift at those times even if sunny, so we wait for the next passing front. Perhaps stable v. unstable in that context just referred to updrafts. At any rate, I don’t see long trails days when only fair weather clouds are in the sky.
     
  12. Scompy

    Scompy Gold

    What the heck is this response with venom, crazy and lunacy, Tom Lose? And you don't even have a real profile with an actual picture. Attempting to spread a negativity will get you called out immediately by 1000s of members here.

    @Jack Kruse alert.
     
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  13. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Yeah look at the profile. This person has been around since Jan 2017 and THIS is the only thing they had to add.

    I buckled up when I saw this. It seems like most members ignored it and rightly so.
     
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  14. Tom Win

    Tom Win New Member

    Dont like my opinion? Dont read it anymore I dont like yours either if it s positive or negative. Keep living in a bubble.
     
  15. Mike David

    Mike David Same name new person

    There’s a place here for your opinion I think the thread is nobody gives a shit.
     
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  16. tallweeds

    tallweeds Silver

  17. Brent Patrick

    Brent Patrick Silver

    Your post has tones of terrorism this is not the forum for such comments.
    You contribute nothing of value
     
  18. Dave Key

    Dave Key E-sick

    1. Anybody in aviation maintenance (I was) can tell you how turbofan jet engine combustion does not produce vapor trails like the ones you see above. You would have to fly through a waterfall in order to force that much water vapor through a jet engine.
    2. There are usually a couple days per week that you do not see trails from planes. Does that mean all commercial airline traffic stopped for 2 days?
    3. If somebody needs to be convinced of the existence of technology being used to spray our skies they could start by looking at the patents filed for the equipment in use today.
    Start with US patent 2010/0043443 filed Feb.25,2010 This equipment is designed with an ultrasound generator combined with a waveguide used to direct ultrasonic waves aimed at the chemtrail plume to avoid trail formation.
    In other words they are aiming sound waves at the plumes to dissipate them in order to make them less visible.
    4. Any pilot can tell you that at any altitude or in any weather conditions jet engines do not produce trails.
    5. There are two excellent sources of information on this subject at climateviewer.com and weathermodificationhistory.com
    6. Some people will hold on to their ignorance no matter what so try not to waste too much energy convincing someone that refuses to be convinced.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2019
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  19. jeebs

    jeebs New Member

    Oh really?

    Which is better? Saying something a little edgy or being apathetic or “nice” and not saying anything and not doing anything? My husband used to make fun of me for pointing out chemtrails and thinking they were more than just vapor and now he also has a somewhat hostile stance, similar to the creator of this video:

    When I was young there were 4 main types of clouds. Now there are 32. I guess that’s the evolution of clouds (Haha! Yes, this comment is also a jab at the theory of evolution… interesting number 32 too).

    Adding particulates (pollution) to the air makes clouds. These are ways of making clouds from the ground:
    how to make clouds.jpg

    Previously, I wondered how these squiggly trails were formed and then I discovered drones.
    squiggly.jpg


    I’ve been hearing about HOW INTERESTING it is that we can now have snow at temperatures way above the freezing point and today I’m seeing it for myself how snow now is predicted to fall at high temperatures! Really? Snow when temps don’t fall below 44°? But go ahead and believe that is normal because an authority figure told you to believe it and gave you some BS explanation and tells you it’s ok to be too stupid to understand the explanation; they can do thinking for you.

    rain-snow 44-50°.jpg

    Noticing and questioning chemtrails is just a very small step in waking up to the deceptions.

    disinformation.jpg

    And by everything… he does mean EVERYTHING.

    So...… anyone else questioning beyond just chemtrails? Anyone notice the sun is getting brighter and whiter (that is if the sun isn't covered up by chemtrails and you can see it)? We all should be outside a lot more and observing if we are following some of Jack’s advice.
     
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  20. Dave Key

    Dave Key E-sick

    Meanwhile in New Orleans... it was sunny with no stripes or clouds whatsoever for the last 2 days. (They took a couple days off). At Sunrise there wasn't a cloud in the sky. By around 9 a.m. they started spraying Chemtrails at high altitudes. It's 12:30 now and the skies are full of trails. The early trails have spread out and have made a hazy appearance to the sky. As usual, when they start spraying after a couple days off it gets windy as hell. Day 2 and 3 are overcast. And then the rain starts. Of course the forecast shows clouds and rain over the next couple days.
    The storms lately have been producing obnoxious amounts of thunder and lightning all night.It's what you call weather modification, folks.
    Even worse, French Quarter Fest starts today and everyone is outside being sprayed like roaches...
     
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