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Cancer Rx

Discussion in 'Redox Rx' started by PaulG, Apr 14, 2014.

  1. PaulG

    PaulG New Member

    Jack et al..

    Three days ago I emailed these words to Gilbert Ling

    "I have tried to offer health advice to my immediate family but it often falls on deaf ears. I think some people only change when there is an extreme emergency or life threat."

    Well, I just got an email from my mother in the UK yesterday in which she said that a growth on her shin area that a doctor said was a wart in November is in fact cancerous although results from the biopsy are pending.

    I have put together quick 5min bucket list of changes (see below) but will spend a lot more time with a better plan but my issue is deeper.

    I have not talked to my mother yet but she is very stubborn and does not like to change. When my Father was ill none of my suggestions were actioned. I was in Australia and they were in the UK and I felt very powerless. It is hard for a mother to take advice from her son and I think my mother does not respect me enough to listen to me, also I am very verbally inarticulate and lack skills of persuassion. Also I am at a different level of understanding with regards health and wellness to my mother and it is difficult to translate knowledge from one level or scale to another. My cousin too has cancer and has been on/off Gerson therapy for three years and the lympic growth reduced but brain cancer appeared later. I did try to give support and advice for him to read your blogs and consider ketogenic diet but the seeds I tried to sow fell on fallow land.

    So my plan of action for my Mother is to be hard line. I feel I can offer her solutions to prevent future cancer (apparently 65% of people with non melanoma skin cancer go on to get melanoma cancer or other forms of cancer) and resolve existing cancer but she will not listen and act so I will tell her I will cut off all communication with her unless she follows my advice. I feel only this way will work although she may react very badly to this bold move as it is not my character to be like this naturally. She is very much the Churchill bravery and determinism in the face of adversity but to overcome cancer you need to think outside of the box. I feel I have been guided to study health and wellness and everything Jack Kruse so that I may help myself and others. The recommendations from you are both easy and hard in that steps to take are straight forward and require small financial outlay but what is hard is changing ones lifestyle and understanding the rationale behind such changes. You say you do not have to speak chinese to enjoy chinese foods so I am hoping my mother will respond but she has my two sisters with her and they all think I am crazy or having some mid-life crisis so the odds are very much stacked against me.

    I love my Mother dearly but my desire to 'save her' is perhaps misguided and selfish...I am terribly confused and fearful and cowering in the shadows. I know this heartfelt post is not Ask Jack appropriate so that is why I posted here but I am just looking for friends with flashlights to help light the path.

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  2. PaulG

    PaulG New Member

    My Christian faith is very much at the moment in the toilet but I draw strength from the following..

  3. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Ketogenic diet, metformin, curcumin, lots of basil, oregano, garlic, and onions and if she has some cash........resveratrol.
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  4. PaulG

    PaulG New Member

    thanks, Dr. Kruse. What is the significance of skin related cancers for Northern Hemisphere folk? It is not just a vitamin D story I get that and Cancer of the skin is related to poor redox in the water collagen interface but why do some people get cancer of an non skin organ vs skin cancer. Skin is our no. 1 detox organ so why does natute chose cancer to occur in skin for one person and pancreas for another? Is skin the canary in the coal mine/gateway cancer to other cancers??
  5. Albert83BCN

    Albert83BCN New Member

    I think I can understand the frustration you're undergoing, but I'm not sure if this will be the optimal plan. Most people react quite bad when they feel under pressure and emotional blackmail... I understand that in order to help your mother you might accept that she will get angry with you and that you're willing to deal with that if it means helping your mom, I think I'd do the same thing provided that I knew first hand it would make her mind to change, but chances are that not only she will get mad with you but that she will also not listen, might not undergo the plan and also be left more alone than before... which would be the worst possible scenario outcome. As sad as it might sound, seems that the only way to get someone to follow you is to enlight him/her so much that your message finally ressonates within. Do you think that there's a possibility that imposed belief will ever be able to plant a fructiferous seed into someone's soul?

    Well, that being said, I realize that's a very complicated situation and a difficult one to handle... I hope you can finally manage to help her in one way or another, cheers!! :)
  6. PaulG

    PaulG New Member

    Thanks Albert

    The threat of death/extinction is one of our greatest motivational forces for good or evil. All bets are off and amazing transformations are possible...but yes I take your point emotional blackmail is not likely to be effective
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  7. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    sulforaphane veggies are good for her..........too
  8. Gagnrad

    Gagnrad New Member

    Consumption of vegetables oils and margarine has been suggested as a disposing factor. I'll bet you most people in the Northern Hemisphere nowadays have consumed far too many of those. They're cheap; they've been pushed hard by advertisers; they've been wrongly declared to be "healthy" while animal fats have been disparaged as "artery clogging"; and they're stuffed into an uncountable number of processed foods.

    Here in the UK, if I walk round somewhere like Sainsburys and pick up a packet or carton of this or that in order to read the ingredient list often as not there's rapeseed oil in there: it's a cheap filler. It's there in Sainsbury's taramasalata -- what Greek ever made that with anything other than olive oil? It would be more accurately labelled "Sainsburys Fake Taramasalata". Rapeseed oil is likely in many of the baked goods, too

    In the U.S. I believe it's soya oil that's ubiquitous.


    Mary Enig, the lipid biochemistry specialist at the WAPF has this:


    There's another thing: people in the Northern Hemisphere have been advised to slather on suncream: thus both blocking the manufacture of vitamin D in the skin and putting carcinogenic chemicals on the skin in one go. Governments, Health Services, etc. should have said: make sure you do get (moderate) exposure to the sun, year-round and gradually, and cover up with physical barriers, clothing and a hat as necessary when you've had sufficient.
  9. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    sunscreens remove the natural built in signal that your got too much UVB. Sun burn. then consider the crap allows you to continue exposing yourself to the sun for a lot more energy than one would think.
  10. Josh

    Josh Gold

    My mother said "I would rather die than change my diet" when she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, the lack of electrons talking...

    One is lucky if people ever change at all.....
  11. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Yep.........In the current blog I made the very unpopular comment that those with AI's have brain damage. It is due to electron steal syndrome.
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  12. Josh

    Josh Gold

    As I stretch my neck onto the guillotine....

    Low redox=de facto CBS pathway issues=problems with sulfur=typical with cancer

    Is there a major downside to supplementing Molybdenum and possibly other methylation pathway support in addition to other redox improving methodologies. Or is it worth whatever trade-offs there are to get high doses of sulfur and sulfur-containing amino acids into the system to facilitate the rebuilding of the redox, etc.?
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  13. Josh

    Josh Gold

    So is ESS (electron steal syndrome) something we will be seeing on pubmed soono_O

    In Oriental Medicine it is a progression from Qi Deficiency=low electrons/energy to Jing/essence Deficiency where this deficiency manifests as burning up and distorting the material structures down to the stuff inherited from parents at birth.
  14. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Cancer has a Warburg metabolism........so you need to think about what that implies in this context.............what else does a Warburg metabolism give you?
    Cancer patients are losing electrons at a very rapid rate. Just knowing it is an electron loss is not the key..........it is the rate of loss or change that the life pays attention to thermodynamically.
  15. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    In cancer states stopping the rate of loss is the first step. Then collecting them is step two. Cancer patients have such poor redox potentials even if you give them massless energy and info they may not be able to store them and move them within their system.

    Why does a ketogenic diet work for them? It helps dopamine/serotonin imbalance by electron infusion to the environmental redox sink.

    Ketogenic diets depletes serotonin and raises dopamine quickly helping people make better choices. See the Dopamine Rx. Ketosis increases, beta fat oxidation. ATP levels. It has to be married with a much higher water intake to be very effective. Think the Quantum electron blog post.
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  16. SeaHorse

    SeaHorse Gold

    Paul…I'm sorry you are in this position, it's very difficult to feel that kind of love and frustration with your parents. One thing I would suggest which echoes Albert's thoughts….your love and concern will be felt and absorbed far more easily than your advise and plan for her health recovery under threat. If she is not willing to change, all of your good information will not penetrate her wall of denial/protection/survival patterns. You can easily become the focus of her experience as a scape goat for all the feelings she has. So, to avoid this I would offer your information (perhaps in written form) with total neutrality and confidence. "Here you go Mum, this is amazing stuff and it should give you the best chance to be cancer free and live to a ripe old age." Then walk away. Keep yourself out of the equation and wait until she asks for help to give it.

    This comes from some similar, yet different, experiences I had with my parents. Become somebody completely new to her and she will be more likely to listen.
    I hope you don't mind the suggestion…it is offered with a lot of compassion for what you are going through.
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2014
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  17. Gracelind

    Gracelind New Member

    Hi Paul,

    I can empathize with your concern and frustration at wanting to change your mother's diet and lifestyle to help her fight off the cancer and heal. The sad truth is that we can't change someone else. We may be able eventually to shape the trend of their eating choices and way of life, but it takes time, tact, and patience.

    Is there any way you can arrange delivery to your mom for the foods, herbs, and supplements Dr Kruse recommends? Is there someone near her you can ask or hire to do the initial footwork? Simply getting all these things together may feel daunting to her, especially if she feels ill or discouraged. Maybe if you help get her started she'll see healing and become convinced that these changes are the way to go.

    When my mother was Dxed with ovarian cancer at age 80 she only listened to what the oncologist told her--which wasn't much about nutrition. I printed up info from Livestrong and other places that urged elimination of sugar but when she lost weight the Dr said: Ensure. She and Dad lived in an independent living apt with meals served by the kitchen--relying heavily on starches with potatoes, white flour buns and bread, lots of cheese. Knowing what I do now my sisters and I should have traded off providing an Epi-Paleo menu despite money already paid for the communal meals. Lessen learned, sadly too late for our mother.

    As to being here for the purpose of helping others heal--I get this, too. After 12 years dxed with an AI disease and sharing what I've learned along the way--as my knowledge has evolved--I've been consulted many times by friends of friends, husband's coworkers, family members. Even when they ask, it can take weeks to months to years for them to start implementing changes. Just as I, too, am bringing the Kruse protocols into my life as I learn about and begin to better comprehend them.

    One of my favorite sayings (from all the way back to when I accessed Prodigy at 1200 baud) is "You can lead a horse to a modem but you can't make him dial."
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  18. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    You can not save anyone who does not want to help themselves.
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  19. PaulG

    PaulG New Member

    Thanks Jack, Josh, Grace,Seahorse,Gagnrad for your supportive words.

    I actually just got an email from my cousin saying that he has come off Gerson and that two of his friends have adopted Paleo. Hope springs eternal.
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  20. Josh

    Josh Gold

    All Gerson promoted was hyperalimentation/nutrition combined with detoxification and lifestyle modification for Cancer and TB. It is a conceptual methodology that developed throughout his career and continued with Kelly and now Gonzalez. We are actually doing an updated version as well. Doctors throughout time have noticed that sick peoiple tend to need more concentrated and or specialized nutrition based on COE's. The root concepts are remarkably similar if you understand how the protocol worked when it worked. To market a one size-fits-all system for anything is dangerous and prone to obsolescence, N=1......

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