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Better late than never

Discussion in 'My Optimal Journal' started by vkiernan, Apr 18, 2012.

  1. Martin

    Martin Gold

    I just checked my email (every ten minutes for weeks!) and it just showed up one day. I rec Sterling Hill on her MTHFR Facebook page to give you an excellent overview. Just $50! Some of the best money I've spent.
  2. Lyndra

    Lyndra Gold

    They sent me an email when my results were ready. It was probably 4 weeks or so after I returned the kit. Waiting around is no fun...
  3. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    Guess what showed up in my e-mail tonight? Yep, my 23andme results. So it looks like I need to spend a little more money to understand the darn thing. I am also going to the site that I think it was FV gave me in my journal. Ok, off to do some digging.
  4. Lyndra

    Lyndra Gold

    What a coincidence! Try geneticgenie.org - you can easily see your methylation SNPs there.
  5. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    I cannot find the methylation data it is looking for. It does say that I have more stuff to be completed. It tells me my traits, drug stuff, inherited conditions but nothing about methy. Maybe I have to wait for that???? Or, am I just not looking in the right place. It says something about being a Neanderthal and having 2.7% of my DNA is Neanderthal. Guess I'm a cavewoman after all.:D
  6. endless

    endless New Member

    Mine showed up too, but I don't know how to find that stuff either! I am 2.7% too:)
  7. Lyndra

    Lyndra Gold

    You can get a raw data download at https://www.23andme.com/you/download/

    You can also browse specific SNPs by going to "Account" in the upper right after and pulling down "Browse Raw Data". Then enter the name of a SNP (e.g. rs1801133 for MTHFR 677).
  8. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    How do I understand any of this? I pulled down the raw data on the mthfr's and haven't a clue. I will have to download from home as I don't have an unzip file here. I suppose that is where I need to go to the other websites to help me out.
  9. fitness@home

    fitness@home Silver


    Go to the website Geneticgenie.org. You can upload your raw data to the site and it will run a report for you.

    For a more detailed review by a real person, contact Sterling Hill (MTHFRsupport.com). She is very very good!
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2013
  10. Lyndra

    Lyndra Gold

    There are two ways to make sense of it that I know of. One is to let geneticgenie take care of it for you by converting the raw data into nicely formatted results. The other option is to find a list of SNPs that you are interested in and then do the lookup one-by-one yourself. Be aware that 23andme does not provide info on all methylation-related SNPs - the most notable missing ones are VDR Fok-I, BHMT-01, SUOX and NOS3.

    Take a look at http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...ndme-yasko-methylation-genetic-results.18309/ - on the first page you'll see an image showing a listing of methylation SNPs. You can look them up in 23andme by using the "rsxxxxxx" number.
  11. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    Thanks much. I tried multiple times and failed. I have now called upon a friend to assist me. I tried the zip file and the unzipped file.
  12. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    Slept like a rock from 9:30 to 3:30 and it was up and down from there til 5:30. I am working on reducing my light at night. This is more than likely my issue of not sleeping well. Looking forward to not doing a whole lot this weekend but hanging around the house with the dh. My babes are also coming over for a short visit.

    Really want one of those 20 guass mag sleeping pads. Got to find a way to talk the dh into it. I am looking on Craig's list and will try e-bay. Never know who might have one.

    Finally got the work stress in-line. Moving forward with that one and not looking back. One more stressor in my life to deal with and the rest is nothing. Not worrying too much about this one though. Sometimes, there isn't much you can do but let time do its thing....
  13. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    For those wondering about the hydrogen peroxide/Epsom salt baths, this is the best explanation I have found.

    Actions of Hydrogen Peroxide/Epsom Salt/Ginger Bath

    * Hydrogen Peroxide - a simple, nontoxic molecule of H2O2 that is beneficial in oxidizing (breaking down) toxins as well as killing anaerobic microbes. It will also detoxify pesticides and petroleum-based toxins and oxidize metals. Hydrogen peroxide is also naturally produced by macrophages in the body to kill harmful bacteria. Most harmful bacteria are anaerobic and cannot survive in the presence of oxygen or hydrogen peroxide. Cancer cells are often very sensitive to increases in oxygen and cannot survive in oxygen-rich environments. When hydrogen peroxide is applied topically to a cut, the resulting bubbling is from the rapid release of free oxygen and, more importantly, from the idling of the bacteria in the cut. Friendly bacteria are aerobic and need and thrive on oxygen.

    * Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulfate) - Recent research has shown that when one soaks in a bath of magnesium sulfate, both magnesium and the sulfate independently increase measurably in the blood and urine. Magnesium sulfate helps stabilize Hydrogen Peroxide so that its ultimate breakdown into H2O and free oxygen is more gradual and functional to the process of benefiting the body. This research documents the very real beneficial aspects of this bath therapy. The Epsom Salt Council reports the following about the benefits of Magnesium in Epsom Salt baths.

    Magnesium, a major component of Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate), is the second-most abundant element in human cells and the fourth-most important positively charged ion in the body. Magnesium also helps to regulate the activity of more than 325 enzymes and performs a vital roll in orchestrating many bodily functions, from muscle control and electrical impulses to energy production and the elimination of harmful toxins.

    The National Academy of Sciences, however, reports that most Americans are magnesium deficient, which may account for our society's high rate of heart disease, stroke, osteoporosis, arthritis and joint pain, digestive maladies and stress-related illnesses, chronic fatigue and a host of other ailments. The Academy estimates the average American male gets just 80% of the magnesium required for good health, while females get only 70% of their recommended levels.

    Nutritionists say Americans' magnesium levels have dropped more than 50% in the past century.

    Raising magnesium levels may:

    + Improve heart and circulatory health, reducing irregular heartbeats, preventing hardening of the arteries, reducing blood cots, and lowering blood pressure.

    + Improve the body's ability to use insulin, reducing the incidence or severity of diabetes.

    + Flush toxins and heavy metals from the cells, easing muscle pain and helping the body to eliminate harmful substances.

    + Improve nerve function by regulating electrolytes. Also, calcium is the main conductor for electrical current in the body, and magnesium is necessary to maintain proper calcium levels in the blood.

    + Relieve stress. Excess adrenaline and stress are believed to drain magnesium, a natural stress reliever, from the body. Magnesium is necessary fore the body to bind adequate amounts of serotonin, a mood-elevating chemical within the brain that creates a feeling of well being and relaxation.

    Sulfate: The "sulfate" part of the Epsom Salt (magnesium sulfate). This form of sulfate must not be confused with "Sulfa" drugs, to which some people are allergic. People who are allergic to sulfa drugs will not react to sulfate in Epsom Salt. The benefits of sulfate in the body are summarized by Dr. Rosemary Waring of the School of Biosciences, in Birmingham, England:

    + Oral supplementation of Sulfate cannot be easily absorbed across the gut walls; therefore, by soaking in this bath, sulfate can be more efficiently supplemented. Sulfate is essential for many biological processes.

    + Sulfate is needed for formation of proteins in joints; decreased sulfate levels are common in the plasma and joint synovial fluids in cases of arthritis. Sulfate is also low in people with irritable bowel syndrome.

    + Sulfate is necessary for sulfation, a major pathway in detoxifying drugs and endogenous (toxins from within the body) or exogenous (environmental ) toxins.

    + Sulfate is necessary for the repair and formation of brain tissue. Reduced levels of sulfate can lead to faulty neurological connections and subsequent dysfunction.

    + Sulfate is needed for proper digestion and for proper utilization of digestive enzymes.

    + Sulfate is essential for the production of mucin, a protein which lines the intestines. Mucin stops food and drugs form sticking to the lining of the intestines. It also blocks the transport of toxins from the gut into the bloodstream.

    * Ginger - functions to open up the pores of the skin and increase the blood flow at the surface of the skin so that the oxygen from the hydrogen peroxide can do its work in detoxifying poisons and kill bacteria and fungi. The pores open wider so that the magnesium sulfate can be more readily absorbed. Ginger is invigorating and can stimulate preparation for the elimination of toxins.
  14. endless

    endless New Member

    That's great, thanks for posting! Adding ginger sounds like a good idea. I've always used a ginger bath to promote sweating when sick. Wonder if it would work at all in cold.
  15. ashryn

    ashryn New Member

    Good post vickie, thanks for digging it up for us. Any ideas how you will tell if magnesium is doing some good?
  16. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    Ashryn, No idea. If I start feeling better, then it's a win. I still haven't put all the pieces together.
  17. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    Just checking in. Feeling very wiped out lately. Don't know if it is the DMSA or what and this is week 3 of it. I am very tired and can't shake it. No energy either. Maybe detox from the mag/epsom bath or a bug. I don't like feeling this way though.

    Anybody know why the new posts that are there when go in leave if you jump to another page as if you read all and left and came back when you merely was veiwing another website?
  18. ashryn

    ashryn New Member

    Poor design I suspect. Just open all the pages in a new tab and leave the new posts on as an index
  19. Zorica Vuletic

    Zorica Vuletic New Member

    I find it quite curious that so many people have experienced such decline ever since the Fall despite good diet, good supps and/or good hormones, CT, minding light cycles etc. Strange. I mean I can understand 'why' but it is still fascinating to me (and yet frustrating b/c I also had a big decline). I almost want to experiment some things differently 'this' Fall /next winter. It is not what Jack would like and I am not talking about carb fest either. It involves light box and humidifiers and lots and lots of plants in the house (or where ever I'll be living by then). *Preferably some place small so as to accommodate these better.

    I am taking D3 since December so I will have to see what I do with that starting in March sans labs. I don't do labs b/c I don't have money. I use my money for food and supps, I'm sure people can understand as I'm not the only one in this predicament (financially).

    A few things I'd also like to see for this Fall would be start up (if I stopped) taking D3 in SEPTEMBER, be on mito supps (am taking Mg right now w/ success actually), and the above experimental things. Also by then if I'm REALLY getting optimistic I would like to have started training again in karate. I miss it SOOOO much but first I had to recover from a crash and now it is simply $$$ reasons. So we'll see.

    Suffice to say things will be a bit different from previous Fall. Experimentation can either go well or badly. If it goes badly well I know where to fall back to so at least I will have a catch net. Also I have to be very greatful that even though I had a decline in end of Nov and December (out of NOWHERE) it does not hold a candle to the hell I was having in 2011. I should always remember this to motivate and be proud of myself for. lol
  20. vkiernan

    vkiernan Silver

    Hi Zorica. I think experimentation is great. How will you know if you don't try right!:) Sounds like you are going about it with some thought and a backup plan. Keep me posted how you do.

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