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Best places to move to after crisis?

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Teddyjones, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

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  2. Seafoodeater

    Seafoodeater New Member

    There are so many negative videos about Jack kruse, but doesn't mean tht at least some of what he says has some benefit and same with Loren Lockman.

    Fasting is very beneficial if done correctly.

    I have learnt a lot from listening to leven Lockman
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  3. Seafoodeater

    Seafoodeater New Member

    I wonder what changes there will be in a year or two.

    My prediction is the orldworld is headi for the next Great depression which will bring on mny unpresidented changes.

    I have a few islands in my top ten I'm keeping an eye on, with the plan to buy some land with house on there once it gets cheap enough.
    Last edited: Apr 30, 2020
  4. Seafoodeater

    Seafoodeater New Member

    Caldey Island off the Welsh coast has a population of 40. Not 40,000, literally only 40 people and a few monks in a monestary.

    Fishing and farming easily provide enough food and there is a plentiful Spring providing fresh water.

    Caldey Island provides a spiritual retreat that accommodates up to 750 guests a year.[13] The island has a functioning post office including a museum of the island's history.[28] The island has its own postage stamps and its own monetary unit, the Dab,[18] referring to a small fish species which occurs locally. There is a colonial-style tea shop on the green, and an underground reservoir near the lighthouse, supplied by a spring. This provides water to the gardens and the people.[29]

    For handling emergencies, the island has a landrover which is shared between the Fire Service, Coastguard and Police, plus two fire engines. The island has a regular firefighting unit, a duty which used to be performed by the monks. The last reported major fire on the island was in 1940, when the monastery was damaged. In December 2012, six firefighters were brought by boat from Tenby to douse a small fire.[4]
  5. If you find his material beneficial then thats all that matters really, I suppose its up to the individual. I havent seen anything negative about Jack Kruse to be honest. To me ,the stuff he teaches is like the holy grail of health info.
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  6. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    Will you say what those are?

    Here's a good one if you want the only neighbors to be one man and many wild donkeys:

    Only neighbors two monks:

    "Its name means 'many goats', since it is inhabited only by goats"... and monk seals:

    "The island is populated only by some Orthodox monks and perennial sheep herders."


    Some more, using this
    sorted by increasing population.

    "The majority of the population find employment in fishing, goat herding or running one of the island's four tavernas."

    "The 2011 census reported a resident population of 45 persons. It has little plant or animal life, and has a number of steep cliffs. Although only shepherds live on Saria now, the ruins of the ancient city of Nisyros can be found here."

    ""it has population of 48 (as of 2011)... The island's main industries are agriculture and fishing.""

    "The town of Premuda has about 50 inhabitants but the population strongly varies during the summer season. The population of Premuda is cultivating olives and breeding sheep and in the last few years they have become involved in tourism. There are three restaurants on the island. Premuda is a popular destination among nautical and diving tourists. Premuda has some very popular diving spots."

    "...reported a population of 80 inhabitants at the 2011 census.[1] The main industry is tourism, with Greek and other European holidaymakers attracted by its remote location. There are several beaches and a number of taverns, some of which offer accommodation. Pserimos is served by a daily ferry from Pothia, on the island of Kalymnos, and is a destination on the itinerary of a number of cruise boats in the area. "

    "It has a population of about 80, involved mainly in fishing and tourism services. During the summer Kastioti of the diaspora return for holidays and, together with the fluctuating visitors arriving on yachts, form its seasonal character... The island has a range of facilities such as a mini-market, three bars, four restaurants and a small gift shop. All facilities are open during the summer, however most close during the winter months of the island."

    "It is 16.92 square kilometres (6.53 square miles) in size, with numerous bays and beaches. Low hills abut the shoreline and are covered with Mediterranean evergreen macchia trees and olive trees. The only settlement on the island of Unije bears the same name. It is a typical fishing and farming village which contains 280 houses... The year round population of Unije is less than 85 residents and grows to more than 400 residents during the summer tourist season. Passenger ship service provides daily connections to the nearby islands of Susak and Mali Lošinj as well as the mainland cities of Rijeka and Pula."

    "Its area is 15.08 km2, and it has a population of 103 (2011 census). Its population is steadily decreasing (720 residents in 1953, 207 residents in 1981, and 124 residents in 2001). The island is composed of two limestone ridges between which is a fertile valley. Vegetation of the island is mainly composed of maquis shrubland, with some farm land in the middle of the island. Main industries are agriculture (grapes, olives, plums, figs and sour cherries) and fishing. The sea around Žirje is rich with fish. Compared to other Croatian Adriatic islands, tourism on Žirje has remained largely undeveloped... The ferry port on the island connects it via the D128 route to Šibenik."

    "Its population was officially 141 inhabitants at the 2011 census, and its land area 17.795 square kilometres (6.9 sq mi)... Irakleia can be reached by ferries from Athens, Naxos and Paros."

    "It has area of 7.11 km2 (2.75 sq mi) and population of 189, in the eponymous single settlement on the island. The island is composed of hills divided by transversal and longitudinal valleys where grass and sparse pine forests grow. Grapes and olives are cultivated there. The main industries are agriculture, fishing and tourism. Automobiles are not allowed on the island."

    "It is situated in the middle of the Dalmatian archipelago, northwest of Šolta, 1.8 kilometres (1.1 miles) from the mainland. Its area is 12.07 square kilometres (4.66 sq mi)... The only settlement on the island is the near-eponymous village of Drvenik Veliki... with a population of 150 (2011 census)... Main industries are agriculture, fishing and tourism. The coast of the island consists of many sand and pebble beaches."

    "It is surrounded by many smaller islands and is home to two villages, both inland; Megalo Chorio ("Big Village"), and Mikro Chorio ("Small Village"). Between them is the small settlement of Agios Georgios (Saint George), which forms the island's only harbor and consists of a few hotels and restaurants... In the late 1920s the island had 80 inhabitants, active in agriculture and sheep rearing... in 2011 its population was 185, 168 of whom lived in Megálo Chorió, and only 17 in Mikró Chorió."

    "...a Croatian island in the Adriatic Sea... It has area of 22.82 km2 (8.81 sq mi)... The settlements on the island are Molat (population 107), Zapuntel (pop. 42) and Brgulje (pop. 48), and they are situated in the interior of the island, and only smaller hamlets are on the seaside. Main industries on the island are agriculture, sheep breeding, fishing and tourism... It is mostly covered with young forests and underbrush. After the Second World War, the population is scattered, fewer people are concerned with tourism, fishing and very little farming. Today, the primary school (opened in 1880) is closed, there are no children on the island."

    "Its total area is 9.5 km2 (3.7 sq mi). There are several small villages on the island, which include Pecorini Mare and Valdichiesa. Filicudi's lands are capable of producing wine, olive oil, grain, and vegetables. In 1997, three quarters, approximately 7 km2 (2.7 sq mi) of Filicudi was turned into a Natural Reserve... Since the 1970s Filicudi was rediscovered and populated by photographers and artists such as Sergio Libiszewsky, Ettore Sottsass, novelist Roland Zoss, and editor Giulio Einaudi. Their perceptions brought the island into the focus of modern tourism."

    "...a Greek island community in the Cyclades. In 2011, it had a population of 271. Its land area is 40.370 square kilometres (15.587 square miles)... Tourism developed in the 1970s, particularly after an electricity generator was built in 1974, and harbour works were undertaken. The building of paved roads from the late 1980s onwards not only increased tourism but revived the island's agricultural economy... The island hosts a biennial art event named Phenomenon, which started in 2015."

    "There are a handful of tavernas in the harbor. The beach at the harbor is one of two large sandy beaches on the island. Several ancient ruins rest on the island, although some are remote. There are two paved roads, although a third is being built to connect the nascent heliport and eventually a new resort on the other sandy beach, and there are several well-maintained dirt roads. Much of the island is very difficult to access due to the terrain. Nearly all of the island's area is covered by terraces once used for extensive agriculture. Now only a handful are used across the island, most operating on government subsidies. The municipality had 273 inhabitants at the 2011 census. It includes the uninhabited island of Kardiotissa and other uninhabited islets. Its total land area is 42.507 square kilometres (16.412 sq mi)."
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  7. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Very helpful thanks Dan.

    My list keeps changing. But there are so many good islands in the Mediterranean Sea that we like the look of. No problems with hurricanes or other natural disasters like the Haiti earthquakes for example.

    A lot will depend on how this Depression plays out.

    Some of the Greek islands are perfect and I expect to see some amazing properties for sale at give away prices in certain places.

    Have to keep our eyes out and compare notes here.

    My plan is to spend the winter down in the med and the summer up in the UK. But that is assuming the cheap £30 flights ever come back, maybe the word has changed so much that sailing there and back would be the best option.

    Dan (or anybody else) what would your top ten places look like?
  8. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    I haven't thought about this until this thread, so I don't really have a valuable top 10 for it. The first few I posted, the ones with monks and donkeys and goats, I'm just joking about. For that last post I was just reading the Wikipedia descriptions from the Mediterranean islands link I posted sorted by population. Some of those with populations around about a hundred of people mostly herding animals, fishing, and growing crops might be good if you want low population and that kind of lifestyle. I'll keep looking through them. One of the things I noticed that I hadn't thought of is that some of the islands (not just in the Mediterranean; also the ones in the Wikipedia list of European islands sorted by population that I posted) that have what would be a low population for most cities, like 10K-30K, are still densely populated without much spacious property because of how small the islands are. Less densely populated Mediterranean islands and semi-rural areas near towns in Chile are still my best general ideas for what you're describing. Peru's another possibility that I didn't look into because I thought it was mostly high altitudes; I didn't realize there are some areas that someone wouldn't need to acclimate to. If you're ok with the altitude, you do get more UV in the mountains. Here's a table of the lower elevation areas; for comparison, Machu Picchu is 2,430 m/7,972 ft, and altitude sickness usually starts, depending on the person's health, at about 5000-8000 ft/1524-2438 m.


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    About more UV in the mountains -- reminds me of heliotherapy in the Alps. Maybe there are some small towns in the Alps that are kind of affordable?

    "Best villages in the French Alps?" thread
    "If you want a real remote feel, you have to go to places like Sixt Fer à Cheval, Bonneval Sur Arc, or the remote Saint Véran in Queyras. To me, the best area for that kind of feeling are in Queyras. In Chamonix/Mont Blanc, Vanoise or the Ecrins you will always see a ski resort somewhere and it's not the feeling I'm looking for usually. So I hike a lot to escape this feeling."






    "Doctor Auguste Rollier created a high altitude clinic where he practiced heliotherapy. Rollier believed that sunlight was the key to good health, and his clinic attracted the world’s rich and famous, who spent most of their visits strolling around the grounds either nude or in special underwear designed by Dr. Rollier."




    "...the medical practice of heliotherapy – exposing patients to controlled amounts of alpine sunlight to cure or alleviate various illnesses – became accepted practice from the late 19th to mid-20th century.

    Dr Auguste Rollier (1874-1954) was probably the most famous heliotherapist of his day, and at his peak ran 36 clinics with over 1,000 beds just in Leysin, Canton Vaud.

    He used sunlight, in winter as well as summer, to treat diseases such as tuberculosis (TB) and rickets.

    The practice had been pioneered by the Danish physician, Dr Niels Finsen, who was awarded a Nobel Prize in 1903 for his treatment of TB using ultraviolet.

    Rollier found that sunbathing early in the morning, combined with a nutritious diet, produced the best effects.

    Another 19th century pioneer was Alexander Spengler, who after medical studies in Zurich became a doctor in the then remote town of Davos.

    Dr Spengler soon became aware that the inhabitants of Davos – which lies at 1,500 metres – did not suffer from the tuberculosis that claimed tens of thousands of victims in Europe at the time, and his findings led to the spread of mountain health clinics."


    "Sun therapy (heliotherapy) was very popular in Europe from around the turn of the century until the late 1930s. One of its foremost practitioners was Dr Auguste Rollier who established a sun-therapy clinic in Leysin in the Swiss Alps. He treated all sorts of patients, very effectively, particularly those with TB – his patients would be wheeled out onto a large sundeck for specific periods each day."


    That page also has interesting photos of people using UV lamps in the early 20th century.


    "Our Friend, the Sun: Images of Light Therapeutics from the Osler Library Collection, c.1901-1944"
    24 pages


    "Nutrition from Sunlight"
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  9. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Very good information Dan2

    I wonder why there aren’t any sun healing centres today?

    we are told the opposite stay indoors don’t get any vit D
  10. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    "Presently, heliotherapy is still practiced for a number of conditions although not tuberculosis. Psoriasis and a variety of other skin conditions, as well as rickets, seasonal affective disorder, and even childhood failure to thrive are currently treated by many clinicians in North America and Europe with heliotherapy. Sun therapy is routinely used at a variety of heliotherapy centers in California, Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic. It is still used as a therapeutic intervention in Denmark as well. The general population in the United States became enamored of sunlight and a deep suntan in the 1920s and 1930s at the same time that heliotherapy was being exploited for many patients with TB. During this period, a suntan meant that one had the financial wherewithal to indulge in prolonged beach visits. Thus, a sun bronzed skin became a sign of affluence and was eagerly sought by many before the oncologic dangers of excessive sun exposure became known (15).

    Current indications for judicious use of heliotherapy include severe cases of acne vulgaris, psoriasis, and eczema, seasonal affective disorder with depressed mood, jet lag, and vitamin D deficiency (16–21)."

    "The effect of heliotherapy on psoriasis skin lesions and arthritis was studied in a trial comprising 4 weeks of therapy in the Canary Islands and a 6-month follow-up period."

    "A 2-year trial was conducted to evaluate the cost-effectiveness of heliotherapy for psoriasis. The course and cost of psoriasis of 46 Finnish patients were first closely monitored for 1 year, then the patients received a 4-week supervised heliotherapy treatment in the Canary Islands, Spain, after which they continued to be followed for another year."

    "We report herein a patient suffering from psoriatic erythroderma and psoriatic arthritis treated successfully in the Dead Sea area. Sun exposure (heliotherapy) and emollients, without any additional topical or systemic treatments, resulted in clearing of the erythroderma within 4 weeks of treatment. Additional regimens of climatotherapy and balneotherapy, given for another 2 weeks, led to marked alleviation of his arthritic complaints. The remission of skin disease persisted for 5 months without further therapy."



    "Which countries offer this treatment?

    Czech Republic


    "Heliotherapy spa" translates to "helioterapie lázně" in Czech, "spa helioterapii" in Polish, and "helioterápiás gyógyfürdő" in Hungarian.

    "Heliotherapy clinic" translates to "helioterapeutická klinika" in Czech, "klinika helioterapii" in Polish, and "helioterápiás klinika" in Hungarian.

    Web page translator

    I didn't search in those languages.



    "Villaggio Turistico Internazionale is situated in the near of Bibione centre, one of the loveliest places on the whole Adriatic cost on the boundary between the Veneto and Friuli Venezia Giulia regions. Bibione Thermae, open all year, offers a healthy holiday anytime you want. In a modern, fully equipped centre that provides tourist and visitors with every possible comfort offers a correct, balanced combination of spa treatments, heliotherapy and climatotherapy."



    Search for:
    UV therapy"


    If those are too developed for you, maybe you'd prefer abandoned heliotherapy clinics from the 1930s.



    "Mountain-resort in the southern Poland, Zakopane, and rural-site in Central Poland, Belsk, are among the best location of potential heliotherapy centers in Poland for late spring/summer season. Łeba, resort on the Baltic Sea coast, is a potential heliotherapy center in June and July."



    "The Romanian spa resorts, spreading over all forms of relief, were established in order to exploit the spa valences of natural resources, especially hydro and thermal, all types of mineral waters, mofettes, organic and inorganic sludge, as well as the climate specific of the seaside (thalassotherapy, heliotherapy, mud therapy), of the mountains and hilly areas (shelter climate), or of the microclimate of salt mines and caves etc. The variety and quality of its hydroresources place Romania among the first countries in Europe, accounting for one third of the spa resources (mdrt.ro). If before1989 Romania could proudly claim 160 spa resorts as well as about 400 spa towns and locations, now there is a general decay and a declining quality of infrastructure and facilities, as well as of the medical assistance."
  11. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub



    List of islands of Croatia
    (Scroll down to "List of Islands" table, which can be sorted by population or area.)


    List of inhabited islands of Croatia
    (Scroll down to table that can be sorted by population, area, and population density.)

    "Of the 718 islands, only 47 are inhabited in the sense that at least one person resides on that island.[3] Some sources indicate that Croatia has 67 inhabited islands,[4] which is the number of islands that have a settlement on them,[1] but 20 of these islands have lost all of their permanent population as a result of the population decline occurring throughout the Croatian islands due to insufficient economic activity.

    ...The main industries on the islands are agriculture, fishing and tourism. The islands' agriculture is primarily devoted to viticulture and olive growing. The local economy is relatively underdeveloped while the cost of living is 10 to 30% higher than on the mainland,[4] so the Croatian government provides various kinds of support and protection through its Islands Act (Croatian: Zakon o otocima) to stimulate the economy of the islands, including charging no tolls on bridges, and providing cheaper or free ferry tickets for islanders."


    (Islands below sorted by highest population first)

    "Krk is the largest Adriatic island, with an area of 405.80 km2 (156.68 sq mi),[2][3] Krk is the most populous island in the Adriatic Sea, with multiple towns and villages that contain a total of 19,383 (2011) inhabitants.

    ...Krk is located rather near the mainland and has been connected to it via a 1,430 m (4,692 ft) two-arch concrete bridge since 1980, one of the longest concrete bridges in the world.

    ...Krk is a popular tourist destination, due to its proximity to Slovenia, southern Germany, Austria, and northern Italy. Since the collapse of the Eastern Bloc, many tourists have appeared from Hungary, Romania, and other former Eastern Bloc countries."


    "Korčula ... is a Croatian island in the Adriatic Sea. It has an area of 279 km2 (108 sq mi); 46.8 km (29.1 mi) long and on average 7.8 km (4.8 mi) wide[2] — and lies just off the Dalmatian coast. Its 15,522 inhabitants (2011) make it the second most populous Adriatic island after Krk[3] and the most populous Croatian island not connected to the mainland by a bridge.

    ...During the summer there are direct ferries to Italian Adriatic ports... Korčula is linked to the mainland by a regular ferry service... There are also bus services that link the island to major cities on the mainland, which reach Korčula using the Orebić ferry service."


    "Brač ... is an island in the Adriatic Sea within Croatia, with an area of 396 square kilometres (153 sq mi),[1] making it the largest island in Dalmatia, and the third largest in the Adriatic... The island has a population of 13,956,[3] living in numerous settlements, ranging from the main town Supetar, with more than 3,300 inhabitants, to Murvica, where less than two dozen people live. Brač Airport on Brač is the largest airport of all islands surrounding Split.

    ...The economy of Brač is based mostly on tourism, but fishing and agriculture (especially wine and olives) are very important too..."


    "Hvar ... is a Croatian island in the Adriatic Sea, located off the Dalmatian coast, lying between the islands of Brač, Vis and Korčula... the island of Hvar is unusual in the area for having a large fertile coastal plain, and fresh water springs. Its hillsides are covered in pine forests, with vineyards, olive groves, fruit orchards and lavender fields in the agricultural areas. The climate is characterized by mild winters, and warm summers with many hours of sunshine.[2] The island has 11,103[3] residents, making it the 4th most populated of the Croatian islands.

    ...One industry, tourism, has however continued to grow and is now a significant contributor to the island's economy. The formation of The Hygienic Association of Hvar in 1868 for the assistance of visitors to the island has been instrumental in developing an infrastructure of hotels, apartments, restaurants, marinas, museums, galleries and cafés.[7] Today, the island of Hvar is a popular destination...

    ...Residents of Hvar mostly work in the fishing and tourism industries. Hvar has a very mild Mediterranean climate, beautiful beaches and Mediterranean vegetation that make it one of the most attractive tourist centers in Europe. The island promotes itself as "the sunniest spot in Europe", with over 2715 hours of sunlight in an average year.

    ...During the tourist season, the port is filled with large yachts. All-night discos attract large crowds of young visitors.

    Another major economic activity is the cultivation of lavender, used for aromatic oils and soaps. Hvar is often called the "island of lavender".

    Hvar is also one of the two most famous winemaking zones in Croatia. Vineyards on the southern side of the island are famous for red wines produced from the Plavac Mali grape."


    "Rab ... is an island in Croatia located just off the northern Croatian coast in the Adriatic Sea... The northeastern side of the island is mostly barren, karst, while the southwestern side is covered by one of the last oak forests of the Mediterranean... Ferries connect the island of Rab with the mainland port of Stinica and with the neighbouring islands of Krk and Pag...

    The island is 22 km (14 mi) long, has an area of 93.6 km2 (36 sq mi)[1] and 9,328 inhabitants (2011).

    The island is nowadays very popular with tourists and families for its beautiful nature, beaches..."


    "Pag ... is a Croatian island in the northern Adriatic Sea. It is the fifth-largest island of the Croatian coast, and the one with the longest coastline.[3]

    In the 2011 census, the population of the island was 9,059.[1] There are two towns on the island, Pag and Novalja, as well as many smaller villages and tourist places.

    ...Grapes, vegetables and fruit are grown in the valleys and fields. The northern area of the Lun peninsula is mostly under olive groves. Most communities on the island are connected by a road. A 300 m (980 ft)-long arch Pag Bridge connects the southern part of the island to the mainland. The Prizna–Žigljen ferry connects the northern part of the island to the mainland."


    "Lošinj ... is a Croatian island in the northern Adriatic Sea... A regional road runs the length of the island; ferry connections (via the island of Cres) include Brestova - Porozina, Merag - Valbiska, Mali Lošinj - Zadar, Mali Lošinj - Pula. There is also an airport on the island of Lošinj.

    ...Lošinj is the 11th largest Adriatic island by area, 33 km (21 mi) long... The total coastline of the island is 112.7 km (70.0 mi).

    With around 2600 hours of sunshine a year, the island has become a popular destination for Slovenian, German and Italian tourists in the summer months. Average air humidity is 70%, and the average summer temperature is 24 °C (75 °F) and 7 °C (45 °F) during the winter."


    "Ugljan (pronounced [ûɡʎan]; Italian: Ugliano) is a Croatian island and the first in the Zadar Archipelago... it is connected with the island of Pašman by the Ždrelac Bridge spanning over the Ždrelac Strait. Area 50.21 km2 (19.39 sq mi), population 6,049 (2011), length 22 km (14 mi), width up to 3.8 km (2.4 mi).

    ...Ugljan is one of the most densely populated Croatian islands. All settlements (Preko, Ugljan, Lukoran, Sutomišćica, Poljana, Kali, Ošljak and Kukljica) are situated along the coast of the cultivated eastern side of the island. Major crops include olives, figs and vines."


    "Čiovo (pronounced [tʃîɔv̞ɔ]; Italian: Bua) is an island located off the Adriatic coast in Croatia with an area of 28.8 square kilometres (11.1 sq mi)... The centre of the island has geographical coordinates 43°30′N 16°17′E.

    ...Major crops include olives, figs, almonds, vines and citrus fruit.

    ...A construction of a new bridge which connects Čiovo directly with the mainland began in February 2015. It was opened to traffic on July 17th 2018."


    "Vis (pronounced [ʋîːs]; Ancient Greek: Ἴσσα; Latin: Issa, Italian: Lissa) is a small Croatian island in the Adriatic Sea. The farthest inhabited island off the Croatian mainland, Vis had a population of 3,617 in 2011. Vis has an area of 90.26 square kilometres (34.85 square miles).

    ...Once known for its thriving fishing industry in the late 19th and early 20th century, the main present-day industries on the island are agriculture and tourism.

    ...The island's main industries are agriculture (mainly viticulture), fishing, fish refining and tourism.[14]

    Around 20% of the island's arable land is covered with vineyards...

    The sea around Vis is rich with fish, especially blue fish (sardine, mackerel and anchovy).

    ...Vis is accessed only by ferry boat."
    Last edited: May 5, 2020
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  12. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub


    List of islands of Montenegro


    "The island is of triangular shape, bordered from two sides by the Bojana river and by the Adriatic Sea from the southwest. It has an area of 4.8 square km.
    It is a popular tourist destination, with 3 kilometres (2 miles) long sandy beach with traditional seafood restaurants. Ada Bojana is one of the premier kitesurfing and windsurfing locations on the Adriatic Coast with strong cross onshore winds during summer afternoons. Ada Bojana's main income is from Camping.

    ...Naturist Island Ada Bojana (Ada Buna) is a place for nude tourists. The first phase of Ada, which was constructed in 1972, provides 83 small houses overlooking the Adriatic Sea with a capacity of 320 beds. The hotel complex is located on the southwest side of the island. Nudist Island of Bojana (Buna) is located 15 km away from Ulcinj, notable for its untouched nature. Although in the Mediterranean region, Ada's dominant climate is subtropical."



    "Along our way through Croatia and Montenegro we had heard about this place a couple of times and the opinions seemed to differ quite a lot. Some found it one of the greatest places on earth and others found it (excuse our language but we prefer to tell you the truth) a shit hole. Needless to say that this got us pretty curious about the place, curious enough to hitchhike over there to have a look for ourselves. And we were amazed...

    If you’ve been traveling the Adriatic coast in Croatia and Montenegro, you’re pretty used to visiting islands by ferry, but this island is accessed by a bridge...

    Ada Bojana is a special location for many Balkan nudists as it was the first official nudist spot in former Yugoslavia, a country which soon got one of the most popular nudist destinations of the seventies and early eighties. In 1972 the first cottages had been built and since then nudists from all over the country came over to check out the place and take off their clothes.

    ...in Ada Bojana we really had this feeling... [that] somehow we ended up in the Caribbean.

    The weather is of course one thing, when we were there we had a decent 30 degrees celcius. The fact that there’s a sand beach, although it’s not a white one, was also pretty uncommon along the Adriatic coast, and of course there are the crystal blue waters, but most of all it was the atmosphere. The palm trees might have added to the effect, so did the wooden beach bars and restaurants serving cold beers, cheap cocktails and seafood...

    The nude beach is nudists only and has guards on both sides reminding you of the fact that you’ll have to drop your pants if you want to enter. In the middle of the beach there’s a restaurant/bar where clothing is allowed, but so is nudity.
    ...From the nude beach all the way to the river there’s a stretch of about 4 kilometers of “textile” beach, but about 80% of the visitors there were nudists as well. And nobody cared at all."


    "Vranjina ... is a settlement, an island and a hill in Skadar Lake, in the Montenegrin municipality of Podgorica.

    ...It has an area of 4.6 km2 and its highest point is at 296 meters, making it the highest island in Montenegro. The island is connected to the mainland by a bridge, towards Podgorica, and a causeway, across the lake towards Bar.

    ...Vranjina town, on the shores of the Skadar lake, is called the Montenegrin Venice because of its natural setting. It is a popular fishing spot. Several fish restaurants located on the island include Plantaže restaurant."

    ...Population in 2011: 209
    Last edited: May 5, 2020
  13. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Good finds, Ada Bojana sounds very promising

    I like the sound of the nude beach, you wouldn’t even have to wear your tan through shorts

    “The palm trees might have added to the effect, so did the wooden beach bars and restaurants serving cold beers, cheap cocktails and seafood...”

    I imagine as this Great Depression gets worse you could buy a beautiful property on one of those islands for a very low price

    what is the climate like all year round in those Croatian islands?
  14. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    I still really like the sound of buying some property on one of the Majorca islands.

    the geographical location is perfect and even though they have high pop density at the moment how will things look in a year or two?

    many area that relied on tourist industry is absolutely finished now, completely devastated financially

    hotels will all go bust

    people will move away to try to get work

    I’m not saying things won’t restart ever but I think it will take a while and there will be bargains to be had
  15. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    If you really want somewhere cheap and low population with lots of sunshine and that speaks English then what about Africa?

    I was looking at some countries near the coast.

    you can buy an amazing beach house with a fruit forest and your own private beach with a little fishing boat.

    definitely no 5G nor will there ever be.

    I wouldn’t move there on my own but I’d you could have a small community of likeminded folks and have the ability to travel back upto Europe in the summertime just spend winters down there.
  16. Michael CULLEN

    Michael CULLEN New Member

    5G is there.
  17. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Where exactly?
  18. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Here in the UK you don’t have to pay rent anymore, at least a year or possibly two or more before you have to leave

  19. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    What about the Azores?

    perfect location down near the equator

    English speaking

    lots of islands very low population density

    Very cheap living now, this global pandemic has hit the islands very hard and property is dropping in value officially a property price crash

    you can buy such a lovely place there for a snip compared to what it was last year

    and prices are still falling

    we are thinking of buying a place there if we like it

    but first we have to fly there for a trip but still finding it difficult with restrictions
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