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Best places to move to after crisis?

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Teddyjones, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    its looking like we are heading into the new Great Depression and property values are going to fall off a cliff.

    my wife and I are going to be looking to buy some property abroad to live a healthier life in the sun away from 5G and other NNEMFs.

    we would prefer somewhere near Europe or North Africa, but possibly Asia or Central America.

    we would prefer somewhere where many speak English but we like the sound of learning a new language and a hole new fresh start.

    has there ever been a list of good places that are low pop density and 5G free that are good climates with lots of sun but not too hot like central Africa or South America too near the equator?
     
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  2. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    Chile spans many latitudes and has cities of many sizes with rural areas nearby.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Chile
    This narrows down the information about the areas of Chile to regions, provinces, and the capital of each province. (Scroll down to the table.)

    Below are mostly places with populations around 30,000, one with 243 and one with 205,000, that I found on Google Maps by looking at areas near the coast and mountains. The links are to Google Images. Ordered north to south. The latitudes are mostly about the same distance from the equator as around the Mediterranean, and are close to water, so wouldn't be extremely high temperatures but probably comfortably warm and sunny. There are lots of beaches, sea towns, and forested mountain areas that look pretty clean and spacious.
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    La Serena 29.9027° S
    Population 205,635 (2017)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=La+...hXuITQIHdAJDOYQ_AUoAnoECB0QBA&biw=939&bih=490

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    Chanco 36.2667° S
    Population 9,457 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=cha...hVYuZ4KHfHxA7UQ_AUoA3oECBYQBQ&biw=939&bih=490

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    Arauco 37.2458° S
    Population 34,902 (2012)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ara...hUKEwjrh-e8hIDpAhUHuZ4KHaj8AnQQ_AUoAnoECB4QBA

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    Lebu 37.6097° S
    Population 25,035 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=leb...hUKEwjJr5eshIDpAhWEq54KHdOMAk0Q_AUoAnoECBkQBA

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    Saavedra 38.7833° S
    Population 14,034 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=saa...hUKEwjKvuGQhIDpAhX3GTQIHaMuD1kQ_AUoAnoECBkQBA

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    Pucon 39.2723° S
    Population 22,000

    https://www.google.com/search?q=puc...hVSqZ4KHdd8BDkQ_AUoAnoECB4QBA&biw=939&bih=490

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    Villarrica 39.2820° S
    Population 45,531 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=vil...hUKEwievLOAgoDpAhWKv54KHQoHCuQQ_AUoAnoECCEQBA

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    Panguipulli 39.6416° S
    Population 33,273 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=pan...hUKEwiYi6OIgoDpAhUEPH0KHWd0DYAQ_AUoAnoECB0QBA

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    Rinihue 39.8147° S
    Population 243 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=rin...hWOuJ4KHUi1AS4Q_AUoAnoECA0QBA&biw=939&bih=490

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    Ancud 41.8675° S
    Population 39,946 (2002)

    https://www.google.com/search?q=anc...hXGvJ4KHRX2C5wQ_AUoAnoECBsQBA&biw=939&bih=490
     
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  3. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Yes Chile looks a good choice thanks Dan.

    Are they going to have 5G I wonder?

    Also thinking about Costa Rica I like the sound of Loren Lockmans little community he is setting up there,




    but he is charging $10K per plot which is going to be way over the price of good similar land soon when the Great Depression 2.0 is in full swing.

    I am predicting a global crash of epic proportions and I’m hoping to buy a lot of good land with a house in a great place for less than $10K
     
  4. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    https://www.developingtelecoms.com/...eru-and-chile-take-next-steps-towards-5g.html

    "...Chile’s Department of Telecommunications has unveiled a new 5G consultation as it assesses interest in the potential distribution of what are called Limited Telecommunications Services concessions for businesses.

    The consultation is targeting the mining, port, agricultural, industrial and transport sectors, and seeks feedback regarding the technical, legal, administrative and economic elements of a potential tender.

    Developing business-owned networks is a feature of 5G and 4G planning in a number of countries where the potential of private networks for a range of verticals is being assessed...

    Also under discussion are potential 5G bands, with 1700MHz/2100MHz, 3.5GHz and 28GHz bands all under consideration by the regulator. The consultation will last two weeks, ending on 23 October.

    Chile has also seen 5G testing, mainly in mmWave spectrum."

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    https://cms.law/en/int/expert-guides/cms-expert-guide-to-5g/chile

    "5G technology is still not available in Chile. However, the Chilean Government, through its telecom regulatory agency (the “Subsecretaría de Telecomunicaciones” or “Subtel”), has drafted a project of new spectrum policies with the aim implementation of 5G services in the near future. Furthermore, the Government expects the implementation of 5G services to take place before 2022.

    ...There are currently 5 active operators with spectrum for mobile services: Entel, Movistar, Claro, VTR and WOM. At present, none of them has launched 5G services. Movistar has declared its plan for the implementation of 5G services for 2020. On July 2019, Entel and Ericsson successfully performed the first test of industrial 5G in the country, at a speed of more than 100 times faster than 4G."

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    http://www.consultchile.com/single-post/2019/01/18/Chile-Leads-South-America-in-5G-Rollout#!

    "As with many fields which are being advanced worldwide, Chile is among the first countries in South America to participate in the worldwide rollout of 5G. The 5G network generally operates at frequencies which have known military applications and previously have been unused for mass communication. Early tests in Chile done by Entel and Ericsson have recorded a speed of 25.4 Gb/second at the 28GHz frequency; it is thought that most consumers can expect average speeds of 1 Gb/second.

    ...A Swedish telecommunications manufacturing company, Ericsson, has partnered with Entel and Wom in Chile to deploy 5G arrays throughout the country. Installments started in 2018 in some of the larger cities, and are expected to be completed by 2019. While the 5G rollout is expected to be completed rapidly (Ericsson estimates that 40% of the world’s population will have 5G access by 2024), there have been some legal setbacks in Chile. In mid-2018, telecoms regulator Subtel prohibited the use of the 3.5GHz band as it studied it’s potential for 5G usage, and around the same time the supreme court of Chile ordered Entel, Movistar, and Claro to return their parts of the 700MHz band, due to suspicions of unfairness in the bidding process.

    According to a concerned minority, studies proving the harmful effects of 5G are being deliberately ignored, and these effects are even part of the reason for the unprecedented speed with which 5G is being implemented. There have been numerous studies documenting the effects of 5G radiation on humans, animals, and plants; these include skin diseases, many varieties of cancer, birth defects and miscarriages, tissue necrosis in plants, arrhythmia, decrease in bacterial resistance, increase in stress hormone production, disruption of normal sleep patterns, and much more. (Read more about the health effects of 5G here.) In Gateshead, England, 5G street lamps were installed for a trial run in 2016, and since then residents have reported nosebleeds, insomnia, cancer, frequent miscarriages, stillbirths, and birth defects. When Mark Steele, one of the residents, started publishing evidence that the lamps were 5G arrays (something the council actively denied) and were responsible for the recent illnesses, the council had him jailed and tried to impose a gag order. However, it was forced to release him and pay for court expenses when the council was unable to defend itself against his evidence. Unfortunately, this was only a small victory, as the 5G street lamps are still in place. (Read more about 5G in Gateshead here, and about Mark Steele's arrest and release here.) It seems that the 5G rollout is happening quickly thanks to extensively pre-planning worldwide, and that no matter what the country, companies are willing to ignore clear evidence in order to implement a service that many will have no choice but to accept.

    Another red flag in regards to the introduction of 5G in Chile is that Ericsson, the company who is designing and supplying the 5G towers, has been linked to the Clintons, who most likely illegally influenced legislation for the company’s benefit. Ericsson had been selling communications equipment to the oppressive governments of countries including Sudan, Syria, Iran, and Belarus. In 2009, the US government started threatening Ericsson with sanctions if they continued to sell to these countries. In 2011, Ericsson sponsored a speech that Bill Clinton gave at a Telecom conference, for which he was paid $750,000. Only one week later, telecommunications were removed from the State Department’s sanctions list. It would be very hard to prove a definite link, but of course a link of some kind is undeniable. Ericsson continued to manufacture telecoms equipment, and today is one of the leaders in 5G technology.

    If you’re concerned about the health effects of 5G, the good news is that for quite some time, it will be only in the more urbanized areas. Chile has a lot of open space and small towns that are easily accessible as well as beautiful and welcoming. If you’re interested in moving to Chile, or just want to visit, feel free to contact us here and we’d be happy to talk about it with you."

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    https://cuencahighlife.com/huawei-p...-in-other-south-american-countries-to-follow/

    "Several other South American countries are also expected to begin 5G trials in the second half of 2019 or early 2020, including Uruguay, Chile, Argentina and Brazil. Communication officials in all four countries say that Huawei will participate in the tests and could be asked to tender bids for a range of technical equipment and services."

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    https://www.thedialogue.org/analysis/latin-america-and-5g-five-things-to-know/

    "The availability of fourth generation (4G) wireless technology ranges considerably in Latin America, according to OpenSignal’s 2018 State of LTE report, from relatively high levels in Peru (83 percent coverage) and Mexico (80 percent coverage) to lower levels in Costa Rica and Ecuador, for example, where 66 and 57 percent of those populations have access to 4G (including LTE) speeds, respectively.

    Despite some disparity in regional availability, 4G access is on the rise across much of the Latin American region. Chile shows steady progress in 4G expansion, for example, among all of the country’s major cellular providers—Claro, Entel, Movistar, and WOM. In October, Chile’s Telecommunications Sub-Secretariat (SUBTEL) initiated a public consultation called “Plan Nacional de Espectro” to increase the amount of available radio spectrum.

    The region’s 4G adoption rates, or the actual use of 4G technology by a country’s citizens through smartphones or other devices, are still relatively low, however. According to GSMA, a trade association representing the interests of mobile operators worldwide, Peru had achieved a 23 percent 4G adoption rate in 2017. Only 20 percent of Mexico’s population had adopted 4G technology that same year. Brazil had the highest 4G adoption in the region at 46 percent in 2017. This compares to an average 74 percent 4G adoption rate in the US and Canada. Despite slow progress on adoption of new generations telecommunications in the region, GSMA predicts that Brazil, Chile and Colombia in particular will have much higher smartphone adoption rates by 2025, at 87, 82, and 81 percent, respectively.

    ... GSMA intelligence forecasts that the first 5G launches in the region will take place in Mexico and Uruguay in 2020. In cooperation with Nokia, Antel Uruguay has already deployed a “commercially ready” 5G network in La Barra, Maldonado Province and in the municipality of Nueva Palmira, in Colonia.[1] Both AT&T, which is already operating 5G trials in the US, and Mexico’s Telcel have announced that they will pursue partial 5G network deployment in Mexico in 2020. The North American nation’s considerable manufacturing sectors are well-positioned to take advantage of 5G’s many expected industrial internet of things (IIoT) applications.

    Argentina, Brazil, and Chile have also begun public consultation processes on the use of mid-frequency bandwidths for 5G, for example, and Chile is planning an auction of both low- and mid-frequency spectrum for the new technology in 2019.[2] Anatel, the Brazilian telecommunications regulator, is currently organizing the country’s first 5G spectrum auction, set for March 2020. The Brazil auction is expected to be among the largest single 5G auctions worldwide, with multiple bands of spectrum up for sale at once.

    Despite the region’s ongoing 5G preparations, Latin America’s mobile operators, such as América Móvil and Millicom are likely to focus on building out their 4G/LTE networks before investing extensively in new technologies, especially in those cases where returns on 4G build-out are relatively limited. 5G availability will be constrained in the coming years by long-standing, investment-related obstacles in much of the region. Telefonica reportedly plans to focus on more established markets by selling off most of its Latin American assets. Latin America’s still-limited progress on recommended 5G spectrum allocation will also delay deployment, as will a relatively small initial consumer base as the region’s mobile users take time to upgrade to 5G-enabled handsets. 5G adoption is forecast to reach an average of only 8 percent of Latin American consumers by 2025.

    Even so, most predict considerable growth in 5G access in the region over the next few years. Industry trade organization 5G Americas forecasts nearly 3.5 million 5G connections in the region by 2021, which will grow to 17 million in 2022 and 75 million in 2023. GSMA predicts a more conservative 58 million 5G connections by 2025. As 5G becomes increasingly prevalent, 4G LTE will peak at 510 million connections by 2022, according to 5G Americas. The business case for 5G will strengthen as the region’s mobile usage grows in quantity and technological sophistication, according to Principal Global Advisory."

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    https://latam-outsource.com/2019/06/15/when-will-5g-network-arrive-in-latin-america/

    "In Latin America, the deployment of the 5G network faces several obstacles. At the EU-LAC 2019 Economic Forum, the Director of Public Policies of the Inter-American Association of Telecommunications Companies Juan Jung mentioned some of them:

    1. An average revenue per user (ARPU) with a negative trend “much lower than in the more developed countries, (for example, the United States, USD40) “.
    2. Obsolete regulatory frameworks,
    3. Restrictions for network deployments,
    4. High prices of the radio spectrum, and
    5. High tax burden

    A pending task in the continent is the bidding of the radio spectrum of the 5G. In this area, Mexico leads. The frequencies in the 3.4 GHz and 600 MHz bands have already been tendered in this country. The GSMA, an organization that brings together more than 80 mobile telephony operators and 200 companies related to the sector, estimated that Mexico would be the first country to the region with 5G commercial services from Telcel and AT&T.

    Brazil plans to tender the radio spectrum in March 2020. Chile announced that it has already begun the process to bid spectrum in the 700 MHz and 3.5 GHz bands, while in Peru this will be done by 2020.

    ... In addition to fiscal and telecommunications policies, it is necessary to deploy a wide infrastructure to cover the continent with 5G. José Otero, vice-president for Latin America at 5G Americas, emphasizes that more antennas will be needed: macro base stations (towers) as well as small cells that will require a series of spectrum frequencies that must be free of interference.

    “Additionally, these antennas should be connected in turn with high-speed backbone networks, which will also require large fiber optic deployments. This reflects that the implementation of 5G will require a joint effort from the public and private sectors, and huge investments by network operators, “said the specialist.

    In 2018, the consulting firm Deloitte, together with the Center for Telecommunications Studies of Latin America, ranked the Latin American countries that are most advanced in the implementation of the 5G.

    The Deloitte report considers Chile as the most prepared country, followed by Costa Rica, Uruguay, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Colombia, Jamaica, and Peru. In the research, different variables were evaluated such as infrastructure, adoption of technologies, regulation, innovation capacity, political and economic situation, and educational skills.

    ... Mexico would be the country that would have the fastest adoption of 5G in Mexico. In this country, there could be 18 million connections (adoption of 14%) by 2025, followed by Brazil, with 26 million connections (11% adoption), and Peru, with 4 million connections (10% adoption)”, analyzes the GSMA in its report on the mobile economy in Latin America and the Caribbean."

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    https://www.lifewire.com/5g-availability-world-4156244

    "Entel is the largest telecommunications company in Chile and has partnered with Ericsson to bring 5G wireless service to Chilean customers."

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    https://www.gob.cl/en/news/chilean-government-announces-spectrum-tender-5g-development/

    "...the Vice-Ministry of Transport and Telecommunications of Chile (SUBTEL) in the framework of the Mobile World Congress (MWC19), has decided to start a tender for the future 5G network, providing 60 MHz of spectrum nationwide between the 700 MHz and 3,500 MHz (3.5 GHz) bands.

    This process will begin with a public consultation that will be published shortly on SUBTEL’s website so that all the members of the digital ecosystem can contribute by making technical consultations about this new spectral contest.

    On the other hand, this tender is part of the pro-competition agenda that has been carried out by SUBTEL and seeks to deepen the benefits and services that the final users receive. Hence, this new tender aims to increase the number of participants nationwide in the future 5G network and specifically in the 3.5 GHz band, since today there are five operators with allocated spectrum, from which only two could provide these services.

    ...The digital development of the country must have a roadmap marked by innovation and the ability to impact all productive sectors, in addition to becoming an important link in the new digital economy.

    As a response, the Chilean government, through SUBTEL, has decided to promote pilots for the development and testing of 5G technology in the different industrial sectors of the country, looking forward to their subsequent deployment to all mobile internet users.

    By doing this, the government aims for the firms and industries to discover in advance the scope of this technology, which will undoubtedly improve their productivity due to its high speed and lower latency. Likewise, the development, for example, of autonomous vehicles and IoT applications will be allowed, which will imply substantive improvements in the processes of mining, agro-industry, among other sectors."

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    https://www.ibc.org/publish/5g-around-the-world-/3450.article

    "The largest telecommunication company in Chile, Entel, announced its partnership with Ericsson at the end of October to bring 5G wireless services to its customers with phases rolling out throughout 2018 and 2019. As the first Latin American operator to deploy Massive MIMO nationwide it is set to fully virtualise network services for voice, IP and enrich real-time communication services."

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    https://www.frequencycheck.com/countries/chile
     
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  5. Inger

    Inger Silver

    I think there is no way to know yet.

    We have to observe carefully. How things evolve.

    I feel like living in the midst of a movie right now. It feels unreal but it is.... real. wow!
     
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  6. Michael CULLEN

    Michael CULLEN New Member

    Nations that will not enforce mandatory vaccines, which is the agenda.
     
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  7. Tripvan

    Tripvan New Member

    Chile is a beautiful country with wonderful people, but it's a very different place to the US, and contrary to popular belief it's quite challenging for outsiders to understand and get by in. Every year people from the US move down there thinking they have found their new haven, and after living in that reality for a few months to a few years many end up moving back. Go down and talk to the locals, get to know what the standard of living is, if you want work find people local to that region and speak to them about what life is like for them. If you can't speak Spanish, you should get your profiency up before you move or else you're going to have a real tough time. Oh, and if you can already speak Spanish be prepared to not understand a word they speak, especially when you venture into those smaller towns, ¿Cachaí?
     
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  8. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    I think the answer is obvious- be patient and see how this thing plays out

    We could be facing the 2nd greT Depression and this will literally change the world.

    You don’t want to buy some property only to find it’s lost 90% of what you paid

    I guess there will be places you could set up and live like a king off 500 oz silver
     
  9. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Where is the best place to live after this crisis?

    I’m looking for somewhere that is not 5G and gets plenty of sun.

    Loren Lockman is setting up a interesting community in Costa Rica where they are planting thousands of fruit trees so you can have all the fruit you can eat for free.

    Time to leave Babylon 2

    But he wants $50K to buy a small property there, you could buy much larger plot of land somewhere close for less than $10K and plant your own fruit and nut trees

    But then you could do that anywhere.

    I think the answer is be patient and see what the world looks like in a year or twos time. I’m stacking silver now with the view that you could set up somewhere and live like a king for a few thousand ounces of silver once the dust settles.
     
  10. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    Check out the Chen trails in this video

    the new white single Chem trail turns the entire sky into a haze in about 20mins in real time as you watch the video



    also very interesting to hear his take on the financial collapse

    so my biggest question I would like answered is where can you move to that has no Chen trails?
     
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  11. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member


    Is there a good list of places that are not going to be 5G anytime soon?

    I know Costa Rica is not going to be especially in the countryside and mountains
     
  12. Michael CULLEN

    Michael CULLEN New Member

    Chemtrails are a huge issue. BILLIONS of tons of aluminium and strontium being dropped upon us.
     
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  13. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    I agree these metals sprayed and dropped on us are a huge issue

    worse than 5G or vaccine or chemicals put in our diets, nobody knows which is worse in each situation
     
  14. Seafoodeater

    Seafoodeater New Member



    I like Malta as a good English speaking option, yes the main island is very expensive property right now but the smaller scale islands are cheaper

    Who knows how much property will crash in price in different areas now, some experts are predicting 90% property crash when this new Great Depression plays out

    Also consider most tourist areas will be hardest hit this year with many going bankrupt

    Some of these hotels will become squatter towers

    If things get really bad 5G may not even be functioning:)
     
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  15. Teddyjones

    Teddyjones New Member

    The way the world is heating up some of these places will be too hot in the summer

    Maybe live nearer the equator in winter and a bit further away every summer?
     
  16. Michalis

    Michalis New Member

    Malta has super high population density, not a fan...
     
  17. Seafoodeater

    Seafoodeater New Member

    The main island yes, but not Gozo to the north.

    Gozo is perfect because I don't want to be so far from a big city and civilisation

    It's a very cheap ferry ride to Malta or one of the other islands

    I'm waiting to see how cheap property gets at the end of this year when the financial collapse is in full swing
     
  18. Im not sure about this guy - I was watching lots of his material two years ago and contemplating taking part in one of his water fast retreats but then I saw some negative youtube videos so I changed my mind.
     
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  19. What do people think of the greek islands?
     
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  20. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

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