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Artificial Electricity in the Ground

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Matty_M, Jul 12, 2015.

  1. Matty_M

    Matty_M Purple Angel Club

    I listened to a podcast many months ago with an electrical specialist named Dave Stetzer discussing how to reduce dirty electricity and stuff like that. He said going outside barefoot could have some risks because "electricity returns the station through the ground". I'm pretty sure I dismissed this based on responses that I got here on the forum.

    Yesterday, reading The Body Electric, Dr. Becker also mentioned how electricity returns to the station through the ground (I'll update this with the page # when I can), but I haven't gotten to any point where he states negative effects as a consequence of this.

    I wouldn't stop grounding because it makes me relaxed and I bet the benefit outweighs any negatives. I just haven't seen anything about this on the blog and am wondering what might the effects be of our grounded electrical system, if there are any. Also, what do they mean when they say that electricity returns to the station through the ground?

    I was going to dismiss this thought again but Dr. K always encourages just the opposite, rightfully so, I believe.

    Any thoughts appreciated.

    - Matt
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  2. Gagnrad

    Gagnrad New Member

    I guess this would be the "dirty electricity" that's at issue here.

    This is another of the topics that Evan Band has had a podcast on - he's talking to Dr. Sam Milham who has a book published under that name:


    Clean electricity has a nice smooth sine wave. With dirty electricity there are odd harmonics to it. It seems it's caused by switching power supplies:


    Yes, I believe a "dirty" signal can get into the ground and cause problems. Apparently, when Sam Milham cleaned up the electricity in a school:

    This is an effect that's apparently well-known in dairy farming circles. Rather like farmers having to know how to fatten cows - by feeding grain. You publish such things in a newspaper and it would be dismissed as "kooky". To farmers it's known about and just part of business. In France in 2008 power companies were taken to court and had to pay compensation to farmers over the issue.
  3. Matty_M

    Matty_M Purple Angel Club

    That's really interesting. Come to think of it, I actually remember Dave Stetzer talking about how the dirty electricity affected cow's milk production. Meanwhile the world is so oblivious. It's amazing.

    My takeaway is to ground far away from grounding rods and other major electrical devices, if possible. I'd bet this is already a given through Dr. K, anways.

    On a side note, I've thought about the challenge ahead of helping the world move closer to nature... and thinking about how I better watch my back for goons from the telecommunications companies and other industries that depend on non-native EMF :cool::p
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  4. Gagnrad

    Gagnrad New Member

    I guess it's problem piled on problem. It's not just that this electricity is non-native but that now it's "dirty" as well.

    The pace of change has become so rapid that no one can cope with it any more. Before we even begin to think about the last innovation and how it might affect us the next one has been released.
  5. Grmoline

    Grmoline Gold

    I think it's the same issue that can happen when grounding sheets or mats are plugged into the household ground.
  6. Gagnrad

    Gagnrad New Member

    I think you're right. You can test for "dirty" sources with an AM radio, however. That's explained on the podcast linked above. And there are other more sophisticated means.
  7. Sun Disciple

    Sun Disciple AKA Paul...That Call Drop'n Canadian

    Ok so I keep hearing that grounding is dangerous no matter where you are because the power companies are dumping the retrirn lines into the ground to connect with the transformers. Acoording to sam millham everywhere outside he has measured with an occiliscope has come back with the sine wave associated with the power grid 60 hrz cycles. He claims even in the middle of the dessert he is picking up dirty electricity. You can hear him on this podcast between 45-50 mins explain why earthing is dangerous.

    So im trying to figure out how to measure the ground with a voltmeter and two screwdrivers. I believe sam is using an ociliscope any ideas?
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  8. ScottishEmma

    ScottishEmma Silver

    Seriously?! So walking through a field away from houses I'm still affected? Like cows? Brilliant!

    I've stopped grounding in built up areas because I didn't know where lines were under the ground but I had no idea the fields around my garden would be an issue too!

    Off to listen to the podcasts, thanks for sharing.
  9. Total EMFSolutions

    Total EMFSolutions New Member

    To measure what's really happening when you ground yourself you will need a Fluke 287 or 289, due to the capability to measure high frequencies (<100 kHz). Using a cheap multimeter set to voltage just measures the difference in potential. Measuring body voltage is not an accurate way to measure either, as the skin impedance is 3,000 Ohms at 60 Hertz. As frequencies rise over 1.7 kilo Hertz the skin impedance drops to 500 Ohms and this is when biologically active frequencies go internal to the human body.

    Back to the Fluke 289/287....Set the dial to the uA setting...this measures current and not voltage. Next, attach one lead to the ground wire or ground receptacle and place the other lead in your mouth. You are now measuring the current travelling through you. If you want to see the numbers jump put your hand close to a dirty electricity source such as a computer or CFL light bulb. Compare by placing your hand next to an incandescent bulb. Here's a video demonstrating why earthing could be causing you harm.

    My avatar shows Sam Milham's arm :)
  10. Total EMFSolutions

    Total EMFSolutions New Member

  11. Sun Disciple

    Sun Disciple AKA Paul...That Call Drop'n Canadian

    Thanks for your reply. Ive had fun going through your channel looking at all the measurements of everyday situations youve got up there. I would encourage other members to go check em out. We hear alot of experts talk about the dangers but it doesnt hit home until you start measuring yourself or watch videos such as the ones made by Total EMF.

    So if i manage to come up with a fluke 287 do I have two options to measure current in the ground? First being with one stake in the ground and other lead going to tongue for body current. second being the one shown in this video measuring between to stakes in the ground? Have you measured anywhere you felt it worthwhile to take off your shoes or you a straight insulated foot kinda guy these days? ;)

    It sure is discouraging to think that I might have wasted alot of time grounding in the local park and back yard, meanwhile i might have been doing myself more harm. Also the fact that despite turning off the breaker to my room my canopy might be drawing in feilds that im missing in my body voltage readings that i have been relying on. This seems like this is a pretty big deal if the majority on this forum is assuming that grounding outdoors is safe everywhere there is grass or open field.
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  12. Penny

    Penny New Member

    I think you have to watch for toxins in the ground (Roundup), and make sure your breaker to the back yard is off - then you can take a voltage meter and either stick a grounding copper pole in the ground or even a metal coat hanger and see if it stays at - I think it was something like -160 mv - you could even - probably - use a body voltage meter to measure the effect it's having on you - I just go to the beach , but I do ground in the back yard every morning -
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  13. Total EMFSolutions

    Total EMFSolutions New Member

    Thanks for the kind words. I have shown this because I've seen so many suffer. I actually use a Fluke Scopemeter to look at frequencies travelling through the earth.

    Dr Magda Havas made a video that describes what's happening as high frequencies saturate the earth around cities.

    I have found one place in Arizona that didn't have them...camp there often.
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  14. ScottishEmma

    ScottishEmma Silver

    Is it possible beside the ocean is safer in that respect?
  15. Penny

    Penny New Member

    Sorry, not sure what you're asking? The ocean IMHO is pretty safe - you're in a natural Faraday cage and you are absorbing boatloads of magnesium chloride - plus it's cold now in the ocean, so there's that and it's a great place to gain resonance - like listening to a fountain or running water - or OHMing:)
  16. peter jesop

    peter jesop New Member

    What abouth other toxins in the ground? LEGO ETER CIRN ETC.
    Why looking for small things and not going for the big things?
    Humans have to step up there game. Just like humans posting study's, what does that bring? Nothing
    I thougth members of dr. jack kruse site don't accept mediocre?
  17. ScottishEmma

    ScottishEmma Silver

    Sorry, I should have been clearer. I was referring to the likes of dirty electricity and whether that would be more rare to encounter barefoot on a beach than in a field somewhere... :)
  18. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK Gold

    What happens in fields just outside cities isn't likely to be the same for me living in a more remote area, because of the inverse square law. Our power to the house comes underground from the pole on the road (and I know where it is, and ground as far away as I can to make max use of the inverse square law), but across open fields the power lines are overhead because its cheaper to put overhead lines in, even if they then run them underground from the nearest pole to a house or farm building. The local cows seem happy. :D
  19. Penny

    Penny New Member

    Well, actually, I've learned a hell of a lot by reading said studies... it certainly beats being a troll IMHO... what is the point of you exactly?
  20. peter jesop

    peter jesop New Member

    Hello Penny, Have you watched the 3rd video from vision's post? What told the flash he is doing?
    What is the point of you exactly? pushing people in the rigth direction. Sometimes humans need a kick under there ass otherwise they keep doing what they have been doing.

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