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Another relatively easy article on prions...

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Penny, May 14, 2021.

  1. ND Hauf

    ND Hauf Pleb

    Are we seeing the Prion issue just in the mRNA jab or is it also showing up in the J&J jab?
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  2. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    J&J is different technology.
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  3. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    "Twitter disabled me. Please ask all your friends to follow me on Substack and gab"
    By Steve Kirsch
    November 24, 2021

    "My final post [on Twitter] was warning people about prion disease caused by the vaccines.

    I was warning people about prion disease that is clearly being caused by the vaccine. I checked this in VAERS myself before doing the post. It’s worse than Jessica wrote... You can read Jessica’s article here [ https://jessicar.substack.com/p/prion-diseases-are-no-joke ]..."

    Prion diseases are no joke
    by Jessica Rose
    November 22, 2021

    That article is only viewable by paid subscription. The minimum paid subscription is $6.99 for one month. I subscribed to read the article, and I wrote a paraphrased version of it for people who don't want to pay to read it. This is my paraphrased version that I think still includes the relevant details (the original article is only about a two or three minute read of about ten short paragraphs):

    Luc Montagnier says five young and healthy people who recently got the COVID-19 injection have developed prion disease. (Jessica Rose's article doesn't say what age the people are.)

    There are six cases of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease in VAERS currently. The first report of CJD was filed in February, 2021. Onset of CJD in that case happened within two days of the injection. The most recent report was filed on June 1, 2021; that person was injected on January 27, 2021.

    Luc Montagnier and Jessica Rose both are calling for an immediate halt to COVID-19 injectable biological products.

    In the brain are normal, non-diseased prions, and prions can also become diseased, which can cause other normal proteins to fold abnormally and thus change their normal function. Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease is a type of prion disease in the brain, and is also sometimes called subacute spongiform encephalopathy or neurocognitive disorder.

    About 300 cases of prion diseases are reported in the United States per year [2]. There are six reports in VAERS of prion diseases suspected to have been caused by COVID-19 injections. The average age of the people in the VAERS prion disease reports is 67. Sporadic development of CJD is more statistically probable at older ages, usually after around age 60 [3], so these six people in the VAERS reports might have started having symptoms of prion disease even if they had not received a COVID-19 injection, as about 300 people in the United States per year would statistically be expected to.

    In the early 1980s in France, 120 children developed CJD after getting an injection made with pituitary cells from eldery people in a retirement home [4]. So maybe don't extract brain cells from the eldery to inject into children because that might not be safe.

    Jessica Rose's opinion about the possible risk of prion diseases from COVID-19 injections is that this needs to be addressed and assessed by doctors, parents, nurses, and policy makers. Also, she says, "Go Luc".


    Warden D R, Dennison J V, Limback J, et al. (December 13, 2018) Imaging Manifestations of Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease and Case Series. Cureus 10(12): e3725. doi:10.7759/cureus.3725


    An MRI brain scan image of a person with CJD (not caused by a COVID-19 injection; this study is from October of 2018):

    Jessica Rose prions reference 1 picture.png



    Last edited: Nov 25, 2021
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  4. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    I supplement with testosterone.
    That suppresses LH and FSH.
    Suppressed LH & FSH are causing shrinkage of scrotum and testicles.
    Initially I and the doctor who was prescribing testosterone did not knew about it.
    After few months I have realized that I am missing stuff down under.
    Missing to the point as if I never had them.
    Sometime later I found website of now diseased dr John Crisler.
    Lots of helpful discussions about men's health.
    I started using HCG and sometime latter all was (mostly) restored.

    During our discussions about HCG (production),
    Mad cows' disease was brough in and the fact that it was popular in India and that the HCG was coming in great part from urines of pregnant Indian women.

    I am using HCG for about 20 years now, 2x/week injections.
    Every time I inject HCG I think prions.

  5. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub


    Molecular Simulations suggest Vitamins, Retinoids and Steroids as Ligands of the Free Fatty Acid Pocket of the SARS‐CoV‐2 Spike Protein**

    Deborah K. Shoemark, Charlotte K. Colenso, Christine Toelzer, Kapil Gupta, Richard B. Sessions, Andrew D. Davidson, Imre Berger, Christiane Schaffitzel, James Spencer, and Adrian J. Mulholland

    Angew Chem Int Ed Engl. 2021 Mar 22; 60(13): 7098–7110. Published online 2021 Feb 22. doi: 10.1002/anie.202015639
    PMCID: PMC8013358PMID: 33469977

    We investigate binding of linoleate and other potential ligands to the recently discovered fatty acid binding site in the SARS‐CoV‐2 spike protein, using docking and molecular dynamics simulations... The SARS‐CoV‐2 spike fatty acid site may bind a diverse array of ligands, including dietary components, and therefore provides a promising target for therapeutics or prophylaxis."

    [above the abstract paragraph, below the authors]
    Associated Data
    Supplementary Materials
    ANIE-60-7098-s001.pdf (911K)

    From the supplementary PDF:

    vitamins and spike protein binding energy chart 1.jpg
    vitamins and spike protein binding energy chart 2.jpg


    (I saw that study discussed here:
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/...a-bind-to-the-sars-cov-2-spike-protein.43835/ )


    Related study:

    Fat-Soluble Vitamins and the Current Global Pandemic of COVID-19: Evidence-Based Efficacy from Literature Review

    Authors: Samad N, Dutta S, Sodunke TE, Fairuz A, Sapkota A, Miftah ZF, Jahan I, Sharma P, Abubakar AR, Rowaiye AB, Oli AN, Charan J, Islam S, Haque M
    Published 21 May 2021


    "Objectives of the Study
    This review aims and scopes to highlight 1) role of vitamin A, D, E, and K in COVID-19, 2) antiviral effects of vitamin E on COVID-19, 3) immune-boosting effects of vitamin E relevant to combat COVID-19, and 4) to conclude and give prescribers and policymakers direction."
    Last edited: Nov 25, 2021
  6. Dan2

    Dan2 Pedantic schlub

    In that first study in the previous post, vitamin K2 had the strongest (simulated) binding affinity to the spike protein fatty acid binding site. This thread has information about K2 in foods:



    Comparing supplements and food sources of K2

    (some overlap with this post https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/natto.23874/#post-273635 )

    Thorne K2 liquid
    Serving Size: 15 Drops
    Servings Per Container: 80
    Vitamin K2 (MK-4) 15mg

    1 mg K2 per drop
    1 mg = 1000 mcg
    1,200,000 mcg K2 per bottle
    1 bottle is $71
    $5.91 per 100 mg K2 MK-4

    Thorne D3+K2 liquid
    Serving Size: 2 Drops
    Servings Per Container: 600
    Vitamin D3 25mcg [5000 I.U. (how to convert below]
    Vitamin K2 (Menatetrenone) 200mcg

    100 mcg K2 per drop
    120,000 mcg K2 per bottle
    1 bottle is $26
    $21.67 per 100 mg of K2 MK-4

    (Conversions of vitamins A, D, and E
    Multiply the I.U. by 0.025 for the value as mcg,
    or multipy the mcg by 25 for the value as I.U.)

    Health Natura True K2 Mk4 1 mg per drop 1 ounce
    Supplement Facts:
    Serving size - 10 drops
    Mk4 10 mg
    Other ingredients: MCT oil.
    1 drop provides:
    Mk4 Trans isomer 1 mg
    1200 drops per bottle.

    1,200,000 mcg per bottle
    1 bottle is $50
    $4.17 per 100 mg K2 MK-4

    Health Natura True K2 Spectrum
    Supplement Facts:
    Servings per container: 143
    Serving size - 10 drops
    Mk4 10 mg
    Mk7 200 mcg
    Other ingredients: MCT oil.
    1 Drop provides:
    Mk4 1 mg
    Mk7 20 mcg
    Approximately 1430 drops per bottle

    ~1,430,000 mcg K2 MK-4 per bottle
    $63 per bottle
    $4.41 per 100 mg K2 MK-4

    Idealabs Kuinone
    Servings per container: about 720
    Serving size: 1 drop
    Each serving contains the following ingredients:
    Vitamin K2 (MK-4): 2 mg

    1,440,000 mcg K2 per bottle
    1 bottle is $50
    $3.47 per 100 mg of K2 MK-4

    Comparing the micrograms of K2 in the supplements to the amounts in foods

    (From https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.php?threads/natto.23874/#post-273635 )

    Organic egg yolk, MK-4 = 33 mcg per 100g. One large egg yolk is ~20 g, so 33 mcg MK-4 in five yolks.

    Butter, MK-4 = ~10-22 mcg per 100g. One tablespoon is 14.3 g, so ~10-22 mcg MK-4 in seven tablespoons.

    Ghee, MK-4 = ~27-36 mcg per 100g. So ~27-35 mcg in seven tbsp.

    And beef liver has nine forms of K2.


    Values are mcg per 100g
    Total Vitamin K2= 106
    Total Vitamin K= 108
    MK-4= 1
    MK-7= 18
    Sum of MK-4 + MK-7= 19
    MK-5= 0
    MK-6= 3
    MK-8= 5
    MK-9= 2
    MK-10= 7
    MK-11= 14
    MK-12= 22
    MK-13= 34
    Vitamin K1= 2
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2022
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  7. ND Hauf

    ND Hauf Pleb

    Thanks for the link. Nice to see Ghee in there for a K source.

    Hope you were able to buy the BTC dip Dan.
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  8. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator


    Methylene blue (MB), a positively charged heterocyclic aromatic thiazine dye, has long been used as staining agent in industry. In reducing environment, methylene blue can be reduced to colorless leuco-methylene blue (LMB) through hydrogenation reaction, which can switch back to initial blue color by oxidative dehydrogenation upon exposure to oxidizing environment. MB is an optical switch that tells us about the presence or absence of electrons in a system. Without electrons in a system, light becomes impotent to change the charge density of biomolecules in cells. Light can only do this because of its photoelectric effect. MB can mimic oxygen in defective mitochondria without creating ROS. How? Low-dose methylene blue stimulates mitochondrial respiration by donating and cycling electrons inside the mitochondrial matrix to facilitate the feeding of electrons through electron transport chain. Low-dose methylene blue (MB) acts as an "exogenous" electron (e-) cycler, capable of boosting oxygen consumption and cell respiration (molecular O2 reduced to H2O ). Any rapid activation of oxygen consumption inside of the matrix leads to a local transient hypoxia (NAD+ drops), causing cytochrome C oxidase to change from reducing oxygen with electrons to catalyzing the formation of nitric oxide. NO disrupts and lowers ECT flow. Red light can counterbalance NO release by near-infrared light (600-1000nm). These photons directly energizes cytochrome oxidase (Complex IV) via photon absorption, facilitating its catalytic activity and leading to up-regulation of cytochrome oxidase levels. People seem to forget that cytochrome c oxidase contains 4 red light chromophores in the IR-A range. The sun is loaded with this frequency of light because it comes from the atomic spectrum of hydrogen. In fact, it is the most abundant light in terrestrial sunlight. If the decentralized MD understands this quantum dance, these clinical interventions can result in long-term increases in the amount of cytochrome oxidase in the electron transport chain by a process of enzymatic induction, which promotes oxidative energy metabolism and cellular survival in poorly functioning mitochondria incapable of creating water, NAD+, or CO2. This is why MB and IR-A light work so well in our cells when the geometry of the TCA intermediates cannot cycle due to heavier isotopes of hydrogen acting like concrete in a piston. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4428125/
  9. I would prefer - Riboflavin-5-Phosphate B2 as the photosensitizer

    Dr. Hans Michael Weber has multiple degrees in Chemistry, Biology, Medical school, etc. He has chosen Riboflavin-5-Phosphate B2 as the preferred photosensitizer.
    Due to the extensive knowledge of this naturally occurring compound, Riboflavin has been qualified by the US FDA as GRAS (Generally Regarded As Safe). It binds to the nucleic acid bases of virus RNA and upon UV-irradiation, specifically oxidizes the guanine bases in nucleic acids by a single electron transfer reaction. In followup reactions, ½ O2, hydrogen peroxide and hydroxyl radicals are formed. This results in irreversible single strand breaks in nucleic acids with damaging of the pathogens.​


    Last edited: Sep 13, 2022
  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Thank you @Jack Kruse

    Thanks to @DrEttinger I am buying Methylene Blue here
    put one dropper full daily into my coffee.




    Last edited: Sep 13, 2022
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  11. @JanSz & Dr. @Jack Kruse -> I would be concern about the long-term effect of daily methylene blue administration.

    We know it changes the pigment of human skin
    We also know as the melanin changes, so does the ability of our cells to convert UVB to "vitamin" D3. This is only one of the de-photo-sensitivity effects. The compounding inability to photosynthesize all the photobiomodulation processes are hindered - unless - the melanin can be "bleached". This reset of our cell's melanin is a type of "autophagy" through cellular peroxidation is necessary for healthy "living" cells.

    Effect of long-term methylene blue treatment on the composition of mouse gut microbiome and its relationship with the cognitive abilities of mice
    MD has a negative correlation between the content of Deferribacteres and cognitive parameters was revealed.
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  12. @JanSz have you purchased from Mito Lab in the past? Are they reliable with delivery and communication?

    I purchased some 2nd September and havent heard from them at all. Would like your thoughts on them please.

    Thank you
  13. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    I bought Methylene Blue from them numerous times.
    Newer got problems.

    But, at least I would expect one or two e-mails from them
    One that they got your money (actually on their account).
    Second, that they shipped the thing out.

    Note. They sent my package with untracked mail.

    Possibly it is about your location.
    I have a friend in Poland who needs Japanese pills.
    That Japanese outfit does not deal with Poland.
    I asked them if they will send those pills to my friend if I pay them from USA.
    They agreed with (I thought small change).
    They have outfit in UK who will take the packaging off the pills, put over another packaging.
    Because Poland see the original packaging as nor ecologically friendly.
    Polish (I think customs) informed my friend that the pills are already in Poland with them.
    Now they are studying if they actually will give him those pills, because of xyz.
    One of the e-mails I got from them.
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2022
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  14. Thanks @JanSz that is the only thing i received when order was placed but havent had anything since. Have just send a message on their website and fb page to see if i can get a response.

    Appreciate your feedback
  15. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Continuation of the story of my Polish friend and his Japanese pills.
    Polish customs asked him to first pay 320 polish zloty
    hi did
    now they are in a better position to think if they actually want to give him those pills.

    You Laudy are in El Salvator, they may have some rules that we have not even thought about.
    In Poland, my friend is ready for a variety of energies (to heat his house).
    gas, natural and other
    oil (diesel)

    Last edited: Sep 15, 2022
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  16. @JanSz thank you for your story.

    I am not in ES - YET, i am still in Australia, leaving October 9th - counting down the days!

    I still haven't received the order and not response to email and fb enquiries, assuming they may have gone out of business because of not hearing back - yet you received an order not too long ago so not sure what is going on there.

    We will have IV MB once we get to Miami and will be interested to see how it goes. I am using 'Just Blue' troches by Dr Ted which is what i could quickly get my hands on but don't expect to see anything significant due to small dose size.
  17. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    As time passes and war in Ukraine is convoluting, it may not be out of a question to discuss prevailing winds from pov of nuclear fallout after they start throwing N bombs.

    For example,
    sand from Sahara desert goes to out to Atlantic then to England then Germany and some even to Ukraine. That would be its general route and direction.

    Saharan Sands Float North to Europe, Coating Cities With Dust - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2022
  18. @JanSz my order just turned up yesterday!!!

    Very pleased, have given first dose, interesting to see if any difference occurs.

    Attached Files:

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  19. ND Hauf

    ND Hauf Pleb

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