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Another relatively easy article on prions...

Discussion in 'The Cave' started by Penny, May 14, 2021.

  1. Dan2

    Dan2 New Member

    Gotu kola (centella asiatica)' and brahmi (bacopa monnieri) are each called a medhya rasayana -- translates to ~ brain/nerves restorative. Medhya rasayanas are often cooked with fat so the fat carries the herb to the nervous system better. Ghee (clarified butter) cooked with an herb to infuse the herb into the ghee is called ghrita, medicated ghee. For example, simmering brahmi in ghee and a little water until the water reduces and straining out the herb makes brahmi ghrita, and if the moisture content is little it preserves well. Or adding gotu kola or brahmi to the fat when cooking makes a quick infusion of the fat-soluble chemicals, like a dose of ghrita made fresh each time, and gotu kola and brahmi are generally safe to eat like a food, amounts between a seasoning herb and a vegetable. A good neuroprotective blend to cook with easily is a quick sauce of simmered fat, spices (garam masala or you're a schlub), black cumin, gotu kola, brahmi, and tea.
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2021
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  2. Dan2

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    @Jeremy Fox
    This might be what the Twitter mention of methylene blue to you was about. I saw this somewhere in comments on @veryvirology's (Adam Gaertner) Twitter.

    Binding of methylene blue to a surface cleft inhibits the oligomerization and fibrillization of prion protein
    Paola Cavaliere et al.

    Adam Gaertner's prion treatment studies links:


    From that page...

    Related to cinchona bark...
    ( https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.p...sy-article-on-prions.25857/page-2#post-300105
    https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.p...sy-article-on-prions.25857/page-2#post-302631 )

    The curious antiprion activity of antimalarial quinolines
    By Eric Vallabh Minikel

    Jack has said a lot about NAD+...

    Neuronal death induced by misfolded prion protein is due to NAD+ depletion and can be relieved in vitro and in vivo by NAD+ replenishment
    Minghai Zhou et al.

    Gaertner UVB prions.png

    @Jack Kruse
    Able to increase endogenous UVB in the brain?



    Gaertner prion nasal swab test.png
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2021
  3. Dan2

    Dan2 New Member

    Spoke protein monocytes nicotine.jpg

    "...When you get infected with COVID, the spike proteins go around infecting certain cells and injecting viral RNA (set of temporary instructions) and duplicating the virus. It takes about 1 week for your body to recognize the virus is bad and evoke a immune response. When your body does this, it sends a bunch of monocytes to kill the infected cells. The spike proteins are eaten by the Classical Monocytes and SHOULD be destroyed inside of them, and then the monocyte wil undergo apoptosis (die). This is working for the S2 protein, but not the S1. The S1 protein is being eaten by Classical Monocytes, but it is making the Monocytes change into Intermediate, and Non-Classical monocytes, and the S1 protein is NOT BEING DESTROYED in them, so they are refusing to undergo apoptosis. A monocyte should only live for 1 day to 1 week, but the Non-Classical Monocytes with the S1 protein in them are not dying for up to 15 months or more. Dr. Bruce Patterson is leading the research on this:

    So even after your body has killed off COVID-19 inside of you, you have a bunch of monocytes presenting the S1 protein. These monocytes with the S1 protein can pass through the blood brain barrier, and go anywhere in your body. They are causing vasodilation (increased size of blood vessels) throughout people's bodies, inflammation of blood vessels, and nano-clotting, especially in the capillaries. These nano-clots and inflammation can cause heart attacks, fatigue, and all sorts of other problems. This is what is called Long Haul COVID.

    The vaccine... causes your cells to begin producing spike proteins via mRNA... This causes your body to have an immediate immune response and begin producing antibodies against the spike proteins. This does make your body effectively immune to COVID if it worked properly. But it doesn't for 1 reason. The S1 spike proteins being eaten by your Classical Monocytes are being turned into Non-Classical monocytes (which should die in 1 week or less normally) that are not undergoing apoptosis, and therefore never dying. These S1 presenting monocytes are going throughout the body and causing serious damage, and hurting your immune system. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.25.449905v1.full

    IF YOU COULD FORCE YOUR NON-CLASSICAL MONOCYTES TO UNDERGO APOPTOSIS, the vaccine would work properly. Bruce Patterson suggests using several drugs in his protocol to achieve the goals. Ivermectin kills the virus. Statins prevent the S1 protein presenting Monocytes from attaching to your cells, and several drugs (including nicotine) can induce monocyte apoptosis. When the S1 presenting Non-Classical monocytes undergo apoptosis, the S1 protein is destroyed, and the nano clotting, inflammation, etc go away. This is also why smokers have been shown to test positive for COVID symptoms 80% less than the general population: the nicotine effectively renders them immune to the effects of the S1 protein, and thus most of COVID's symptoms. https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200430/smokers-hospitalized-less-often-for-covid-19

    So, now, does the vaccine work and why is COVID and its variants killing people still? Simply put, as your body is introduced to more and more COVID virus (or vaccines), your body begins building a larger and larger resevoir of very harmful S1 presenting Non-Classical Monocytes, that will eventually killy you. So, if you had COVID, you have a resevoir already; if you get the vax, now you have even more. If you get a second vax, or encounter people with COVID, you get even more and more, until you die unless you do something to induce apoptosis in your Non-Classical Monocytes.

    So, yes, the vaccine is not useless; it does immunize people against COVID, but it destroys their immune system by creating a resevoir of S1 protein presenting Non-Classical Monocytes that reduce the body's ability to produce antibodies to fight off future COVID infection. If you induce apoptosis in your monocytes, then the vaccine works, and is not overly dangerous. As it is right now, the vaccine is immunizing people against COVID, but then putting their body in a state that it can't fight off COVID, as well as many other pathogens. In addition, the vaccine can kill you, either immediately (via blood clotting), or long-term via your resevoir of S1 presenting Monocytes. But COVID can do the latter if you are exposed to enough viral load, even over months or years..."

    I found that picture in the second post of these:


    "Have you tried nicotine? It's like penicillin for non-classical monocytes, enabling them to go through apoptosis (cell death), a function which the spike protein disables upon being absorbed into the monocyte. Much of the long-covid could be the result of spike proteined monocytes hanging around indefinitely and causing havoc."

  4. Dan2

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  5. Dan2

    Dan2 New Member

    Rose hips and amla (Indian gooseberry), vitamin C and bioflavonoids


    Fatty Acid, Sugar and Vitamin Contents in Rose Hip Species
    I. Hakki Yoruk et al.


    Rose hips vitamin C levels table.png

    Rosa canina is common rose hip species.
    2855 ug / g =
    2.85 mg / g
    So ~285 mg vit. C / 100 g rose hips.


    Sorina Ropciuc, Ana Leahu


    "Ascorbic acid values of rosehip fruits dried tea and syrup were determined as 0.72 and 2.18 mg/100g, respectively. In addition, ascorbic acid contents of the rosehip fruits and jam were established as 415.86 and 37 mg /100g, respectively."

    Rose hips vitamin C table 2.png

    Rosa canina, L ascorbic acid = 754 mg / 100 g


    Polyphenols, vitamin C and antioxidant activity in wines from Rosa canina L. and Rosa rugosa Thunb.
    Author links open overlay panel
    A. Czyzowska, A. Nowak


    "The purpose of this study was to determine the concentration of biologically active compounds (polyphenols and l-ascorbic acid) in Rosa canina L. and Rosa rugosa Thunb. wines... The final concentrations of ascorbic acid were 1200 for Rosa rugosa Thunb. and 600 mg/L for Rosa canina L."


    Comparative bioavailability to humans of ascorbic acid alone or in a citrus extract
    J A Vinson, P Bose


    "This study was performed to determine whether synthetic ascorbic acid (AA) alone or in a natural citrus extract containing bioflavonoids, proteins, and carbohydrates was more bioavailable to human subjects... The citrus extract was 35% more absorbed than AA [ascorbic acid] (p less than 0.001) and was more slowly absorbed than AA (p less than 0.001)... Citrus extract ascorbate was less excreted than AA (p less than 0.05) in 12 nonsaturated subjects. Ascorbate in the citrus extract was found to be more bioavailable than AA alone in human subjects."



    S. Balamurugan et al.


    Page 5:
    "The citrus bioflavonoids that comprise hesperidine, quercetin, rutin (a glycoside of quercetin) and tangeritin, in addition to possess antioxidant activity and an ability to surge intracellular levels of ascorbic acid, rutin and hesperidin exert beneficial effects on capillary permeability and blood flow. [9] They also exhibit some of the anti-allergic and anti inflammatory benefits of quercetin.[11]"

    Page 7:
    "The flavonoid content of the [amla] extract was 15.80±0.20 mg of quercetin equivalent/gm dry weight. The tannin content of P. emblica [amla] was found to be 11.50±0.25 mg rutin equivalent/gm dry weight. [14]"


    (Amla also has vitamin C, and rose hips also have bioflavonoids.)


    What herbs I'm using for COVID prophylaxis

    Hot water infusion of rose hips, amla, maybe elderberries (more expensive than rose hips), green tea, maybe ginkgo -- for vitamin C and bioflavonoids (quercetin, EGCG, and others) for zinc ionophore effect (with a meal of meat or eggs or shellfish), maybe ginkgo for cardio complement. Hawthorn berries would fit good with these too -- has some amount of vitamin C and bioflavonoids and good for the heart. Or schisandra berries, bilberries, sea buckthorn berries. The berries get expensive; I think rose hips and amla have the most vitamin C for the money.

    Hot water infusion of or simmered black cumin seeds, milk thistle seeds, licorice, and spices (ginger, turmeric, fenugreek, maybe cinnamon or cardamom) -- blood cleanser, liver support, antiviral, general prophylactic

    Gotu kola, brahmi, ashwagandha, black cumin seeds; simmered in milk or cooked with in fat to help carry the fat-soluble chemicals to the nervous system -- neuroprotective, probably especially good about prions

    Hot water infusion of cinchona bark -- has quinine; substitute for hydroxychloroquine

    I also make propolis extract with vodka and add that to tea.

    I drink a cup or two each day of each of the three other than cinchona, cinchona less often.

    Also, a blend of oils I put on my hands and in my nose -- black cumin seed oil base, maybe some neem oil too, with .125-2% concentration each of essential oils: frankincense, myrrh, spruce needle, lavender, tulsi, rosemary, clove
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  6. Penny

    Penny New Member

    ginko also detoxes glyphosates - add glycine to sweeten and replace glycine lost due to glyphosates... this is really how grains kill your gut...

    NICE POST:) thanks!
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  7. Dan2

    Dan2 New Member

    "ginko also detoxes glyphosates"
    Who'd you hear that from?
  8. Penny

    Penny New Member

    I would guess Stephanie Seneff - she is always blathering on about that but I honestly don't remember - I read/listen to so much stuff - it is getting jumblesd into mush in my brain...- it might have been the Herbal Antibiotics book by Steven Harrod Buhner - it might have been Perlmutter in the book Grain Brain - I was as surprised as you are:) I knew it made you more clear headed, but no clue why - if I run into it again, I will ping you:)
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    Related to excess of manganese associated with prion growth...

    ( earlier posts about that

    https://forum.jackkruse.com/index.p...sy-article-on-prions.25857/page-3#post-304148 )

    Excess of vitamin B1 can deplete manganese (animal studies from 1939) (?)


    and manganese binds to free B1


    @Sue-UK You know some about high dose B1, right? Have you seen much recently about it related to covid? Or high dose B1 people talking about it affecting TDP-43 or FUS proteins?


    "Immunologist J. Bart Classen, one-time National Institutes of Health (NIH) contract scientist and proprietor of Classen Immunotherapies, a Maryland biotechnology firm, published a paper in February outlining the potential for messenger RNA (mRNA) COVID vaccines to trigger development of prion diseases as well as other chronic diseases.

    Classen offers several explanations which are not necessarily mutually exclusive. First, he suggests COVID vaccines could be accelerating disease progression in individuals who either already have subclinical prion disease or have mild prion disease that has not been properly diagnosed.

    In addition, there is evidence indicating the vaccine spike protein can prompt misfolding of essential RNA/DNA binding proteins called TDP-43 and FUS and catalyze a toxic “chain reaction.”

    The vaccine spike protein may also cause proteins “including [normal] prions already in cells” to form abnormal clumps (called Lewy bodies) that can result in “relatively rapid cell death.” Research has shown development of Lewy bodies in monkeys exposed to SARS-CoV-2. Notably, Lewy bodies “cause some or all of the motor symptoms of Parkinson’s disease.”"
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  11. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

    Only general stuff such as

    Evaluation of thiamine as adjunctive therapy in COVID-19 critically ill patients: a two-center propensity score matched study

    Be well A potential role for vitamin B in covid 19.

    Vitamin B2 and UV is interesting .....
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  12. Sue-UK

    Sue-UK New Member

    Long covid: How to define it and how to manage it

    28th Sept 2020 and 26 Nov 2020 posts link to thiamin and long covid.
  13. Dan2

    Dan2 New Member

    Licorice tea...

    Glycyrrhizin effectively neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 in vitro by inhibiting the viral main protease

    L. van de Sand, M. Bormann, M. Alt, L. Schipper, C.S. Heilingloh, D. Todt, U. Dittmer, C. Elsner, O. Witzke, A. Krawczyk


    "We demonstrated that glycyrrhizin, the primary active ingredient of the licorice root, potently neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 by inhibiting the viral main protease...

    In the present study, we investigated aqueous licorice root extract for its neutralizing activity against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro... The neutralization capacity of licorice root extract was determined in cell culture by endpoint dilution.... The aqueous licorice root extract showed neutralizing effects even at a subtoxic concentration of 2 mg/ml, (Figure 1A and B). This concentration is lower than the normal consuming dilution e.g. in tea (12.5 mg/ml).

    Based on our results with the aqueous licorice root extract, we investigated the antiviral activity of glycyrrhizin acid against a clinical SARS-CoV-2 isolate and subsequently examined the underlying mechanism of viral neutralization.

    The neutralizing activity of glycyrrhizin against a clinical SARS-CoV-2 isolate was investigated in cell culture... The neutralization capacity of glycyrrhizin was determined by endpoint dilution. The antiviral activity against SARS-CoV-2 was analysed under pre- and post-entry conditions... Complete virus neutralization was achieved at subtoxic concentrations of 0.5 mg/ml under pre- and 1 mg/ml under post-entry conditions...

    The initial finding was supported by quantifying the SARS-CoV-2 RNA from the supernatants of SARS-CoV-2 infected cells treated with glycyrrhizin... Glycyrrhizin treatment significantly reduced the genomic SARS-CoV-2 RNA levels...

    Next, we investigated the underlying mechanism how glycyrrhizin may interfere with the virus replication... We focused on the SARS-CoV-2 main protease (Mpro) as a potential target for glycyrrhizin. Mpro is essential for processing the viral polyproteins that are translated from the viral RNA and thus, for virus replication. Glycyrrhizin was suggested as a possible inhibitor of Mpro by in silico analysis, but this hypothesis has never been experimentally proven... Here we provide evidence that glycyrrhizin potently inhibits Mpro activity in vitro... Glycyrrhizin completely inhibited Mpro activity at a concentration of 2000 µM (1.6 mg/ml) and reduced its activity by 70.3% at a concentration of 30 µM (0.024 mg/ml)."


    Licorice dosage, safety guidelines

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