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Discussion in 'The EMF Rx' started by Jack Kruse, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    The ideas the matrix's Netflix puts into our minds.

    The tentacles are everywhere and men do not see it.
     
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  2. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    Love this post, yes all those things are important, but storing food is not as good as storing silver for the mid to long term. You can always buy what you need with a little silver.
     
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  3. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    Or silver rings:)

    Seriously I don't think things will ever get that bad.

    If I go to a local farmer or fisherman and say I have one or two silver coins can I buy some food for my family? I'm never going to be worried about getting shot.

    I'm far more worried about currency collapse, and silver bullion is the best protection against it.

    It is a mathematical inevitability that the temporary new international monetary system tht the entire world has been on since Aug 15th 1971 will come to an end soon. The only surprise is that the world is still using this temporary system her in 2019.

    Before 1971 all currency was back by monetary precious metals, and we were told on Aug 15 1971 that this new international monetary system would be temporary. Here we are in 2019 still using this temporary system ALL around the world.

    This is why I'm buying silver right now. The geopolitical situation looks like gold and silver will be going p sooner than later and going up a lot

     
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  4. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    You should be spending your money on getting out of London NOW instead of buying a metal which has no intrinsic value except as a conductor.
     
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  5. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  6. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    Silver has tremendous intrinsic value, not only as the most conducive element it for health reasons as well.

    Silver is the most antibiotic element as well, and the most reflective element on the periodic table, which is why it is being used with infra red sauna therapy.

    But most of all silver is money in and of itself. Silver can never go to nothing like all currency always has and always will
     
  7. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    If barter becomes as important as cash or precious metals, someone with food or ammo or whatever will look at your shiny silver coins and laugh. They will want to barter with valuable, tangible goods.

    Nonetheless, as I said, it is a good idea to accumulate a little precious metals as yet another hedge.
     
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  8. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    The "irremediable structural flaw" in our civilization that has inspired subtle omnipresent dread and doomsday myths for thousands of years, manifests in every human institution, from science to religion to business. None is independent of the others; none can change in isolation; yet when one changes, all will change. In Chapter Six we considered the gathering sea-change in science that we are on the verge of assimilating. Now we will look at some other social institutions, beginning where the structural flaw is the clearest and its effects most explicit: the institution of money.

    Chapter Four described how our present system of money-with-interest generates the necessity for endless growth, how it embodies linear thinking, how it defies the cyclical patterns of nature, and how it drives the relentless conversion of all forms of wealth into money. As well, interest is the wellspring of our economy's ever-intensifying competition, systemic scarcity, and concentration of wealth. Yet more than an accidental artifact of history, interest is tied in to our self-conception as separate, competing subjects seeking to gather more and more of the world within the boundaries of "mine". The change in our fundamental ontology expressed in part by the new sciences will also, therefore, ultimately generate a new system of money consistent with a different conception of self and world.

    A society's system of money is inseparable from other aspects of its relationship to the world and the relationships among its members. Money as we know it today both reflects and propels the objectification of the world, the paradigm of competition, and the depersonalization and atomization of society. We should therefore expect that any authentic change in these conditions would necessarily also involve a change in our system of money.

    As a matter of fact, there are money systems that encourage sharing not competition, conservation not consumption, and community, not anonymity. Pilot versions of such systems have been around for at least a hundred years now, but because they are inimical to the larger patterns of our culture, they have been marginalized or even actively suppressed. Meanwhile, many creative proposals for new modes of industry such as Paul Hawken's Ecology of Commerce, and many green design technologies, are uneconomic under the current money system. The alternative money systems I describe below will naturally induce the economies described by visionaries such as Hawken, E.F. Schumacher, Herman Daly, and others. They will also reverse the progressive nationalization and globalization of every economic sector, revitalize communities, and contribute to the elimination of the "externalities" that put economic growth at odds with human happiness and planetary health.

    Given the determining role of interest, the first alternative currency system to consider is one that structurally eliminates it. As the history of the Catholic Church demonstrates, laws and admonitions against interest are ineffective if its structural necessity is still present in the nature of the currency. A structural solution is needed, such as the system proposed by Silvio Gesell in The Natural Economic Order. Gesell's "free-money" (as he called it) bears a form of negative interest called demurrage. Periodically, a stamp costing a tiny fraction of the currency's denomination must be affixed to it, in effect a "user fee" or a "maintenance cost"; another way to look at it is that the currency "goes bad"—depreciates in value—as it ages.[3]

    If this sounds like a radical proposal that could never work, it may surprise you to learn that no less an authority than John Maynard Keynes praised the theoretical soundness of Gesell's ideas. What's more, the system has actually been tried out with great success.

    Although demurrage was applied as long ago as Ancient Egypt in the form of a storage cost for commodity-backed currency,[4] the best-known example was instituted in the town of Worgl, Austria, in 1932 by its famous mayor Uttenguggenberger. To remain valid, each piece of this locally-issued currency required a monthly stamp costing 1% of its face value. Instead of generating interest and growing, accumulation of wealth became a burden—much like possessions are a burden to the nomadic hunter-gatherer. People therefore spent their income quickly, generating intense economic activity in the town. The unemployment rate plummeted even as the rest of the country slipped into a deepening depression; public works were completed, and prosperity continued until the Worgl currency was outlawed in 1933 at the behest of a threatened central bank.

    Demurrage produces a number of profound economic, social, and psychological effects. Conceptually, demurrage works by freeing material goods, which are subject to natural cyclic processes of renewal and decay, from their linkage with a money that only grows, exponentially, over time. As established in Chapter Four, this dynamic is what is driving us toward ruin in the utter exhaustion of all social, cultural, natural, and spiritual wealth. Demurrage currency merely subjects money to the same laws as natural commodities, whose continuing value requires maintenance. Gesell writes:

    Gold does not harmonise with the character of our goods. Gold and straw, gold and petrol, gold and guano, gold and bricks, gold and iron, gold and hides! Only a wild fancy, a monstrous hallucination, only the doctrine of "value" can bridge the gulf. Commodities in general, straw, petrol, guano and the rest can be safely exchanged only when everyone is indifferent as to whether he possesses money or goods, and that is possible only if money is afflicted with all the defects inherent in our products. That is obvious. Our goods rot, decay, break, rust, so only if money has equally disagreeable, loss-involving properties can it effect exchange rapidly, securely and cheaply. For such money can never, on any account, be preferred by anyone to goods. Only money that goes out of date like a newspaper, rots like potatoes, rusts like iron, evaporates like ether, is capable of standing the test as an instrument for the exchange of potatoes, newspapers, iron and ether. For such money is not preferred to goods either by the purchaser or the seller. We then part with our goods for money only because we need the money as a means of exchange, not because we expect an advantage from possession of the money.
    In other words, money as a medium of exchange is decoupled from money as a store of value. No longer is money an exception to the universal tendency in nature toward rust, mold, rot and decay—that is, toward the recycling of resources. No longer does money perpetuate a human realm separate from nature.

    Gesell's phrase, "... a monstrous hallucination, the doctrine of 'value'..." hints at an even more subtle and more potent effect of demurrage. What is he talking about? Value is the doctrine that assigns to each object in the world a number. It associates an abstraction, changeless and independent, with that which always changes and that exists in relationship to all else. Demurrage reverses this thinking and thus removes an important boundary between the human realm and the natural realm. When money is no longer preferred to goods, we will lose the habit of thinking in terms of how much something is "worth".

    Whereas interest promotes the discounting of future cash flows, demurrage encourages long-term thinking. In present-day accounting, a rain forest generating one million dollars a year sustainably forever is more valuable if clearcut for an immediate profit of 50 million dollars. (In fact, the net present value of the sustainable forest calculated at a discount rate of a mere 5% is only $20 million.) This discounting of the future results in the infamously short-sighted behavior of corporations that sacrifice (even their own) long-term well-being for the short-term results of the fiscal quarter. Such behavior is perfectly rational in an interest-based economy, but in a demurrage system, pure self-interest would dictate that the forest be preserved. No longer would greed motivate the robbing of the future for the benefit of the present. As the exponential discounting of future cash flows implies the "cashing in" of the entire earth, as illustrated in Chapter Four, this feature of demurrage is highly attractive.

    Whereas interest tends to concentrate wealth, demurrage promotes its distribution. In any economy with a specialization of labor beyond the family level, human beings need to perform exchanges in order to survive. Both interest and demurrage represent a fee for the use of money, but the key difference is that in the former system, the fee accrues to those who already have money, while in the latter system it is levied upon those who have money. Wealth comes with a high maintenance cost, thereby recreating the dynamics that governed hunter-gatherer attitudes toward accumulations of possessions.

    Whereas security in an interest-based system comes from accumulating money, in a demurrage system it comes from having productive channels through which to direct it—that is, to become a nexus of the flow of wealth and not a point for its accumulation. In other words, it puts the focus on relationships, not on "having". Metaphorically, then, and perhaps more than metaphorically, the demurrage system accords with a different sense of self, affirmed not by defining more and more of the world within the confines of me and mine, but by developing and deepening relationships with others. In other words, it encourages reciprocation, sharing, and the rapid circulation of wealth. It is conceivable that wealth in a demurrage system would evolve into something akin to the model of the Pacific Northwest or Melanesia, in which a leader "acts as a shunting station for goods flowing reciprocally between his own and other like groups of society."[5] These "big man" societies were not fully egalitarian and bore some degree of centricity, as perhaps is necessary in any economy with more than a very basic division of labor; the key point is that leadership was not associated with the accumulation of money or possessions, but rather with a huge responsibility for generosity. Can you imagine a society where the greatest prestige, power, and leadership accorded to those with the greatest inclination and capacity for generosity?
     
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  9. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    I don’t believe things will go mad max.

    I can’t see things getting all that bad so tht you will get shot if you have some silver.

    I don't know what book that is from but I tend to agree.

    I don't own any gold as I think it is way overvalued compared to silver.

    Silver is the smart buy right now at 85oz valued the same as 1oz of gold. When the ratio corrects back down to true value 15oz silver valued the same as 1oz of gold then I will start to sell my silver.
     
  10. Saichi

    Saichi New Member

    Starting to think your looping's too austere.
     
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  11. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member


    Why?

    It’s the best water with the mot bioavailable nutrient you could ever drink.

    I’ve been increasing my DHL lately lots of seafood in my one meal a day, ne this increases the DHA in my urine that I’m looping
     
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  12. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    As you know, auto-urine therapy is my bag too. However, moderation is the key in all things.
     
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  13. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    Yes moderation in all thing, including moderation itself :)

    I don’t loop all my urine, I store most of it for ageing and growing mono atomic M state mushrooms in.

    I only loop all my metabolic water from 6am to 4:40pm, then I have my one meal a day from 5-6pm and then I dry fast from 6pm to 6am.

    Some people have grown some amazing ormas M state mono atomic mushroom in ged metabolic water.
     
  14. Katie Durham

    Katie Durham New Member

    Moderation In All Things doesn't lead to optimal.
     
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  15. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    What do you think it’s good not to be moderate in?
     
  16. Katie Durham

    Katie Durham New Member

    Things that aren't good for you! Like bananas in New England in January, or blue light after dark.

    Moderation and variety as a policy may help protect you when you don't know what you're doing. But if you know the thing is bad for you, why settle for moderate?
     
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  17. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    [QUOTE="Solidsilverteeth, post: 270572, member: 23435']I don't know what book that is from but I tend to agree.[/QUOTE]
    google came with this:
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  18. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    What came first socialism or communism?
    For Marxists, socialism or, as Marx termed it, the first phase of communist society,

    ................
     
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  19. ElectricUniverse

    ElectricUniverse New Member

    The Middle Way, as the sages call it, doesn't imply that one should also be moderately active in harmful or self-destructive behavior. Obviously, the adept avoids these.

    Let's try not to be too literal in interpretation (I've found myself doing that too).
     
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  20. Solidsilverteeth

    Solidsilverteeth New Member

    This is the silver I buy, it’s called silver shield and it highly collectible

     

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