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After 9 months

Discussion in 'My Optimal Journal' started by drezy, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Funny, that was my point too
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  2. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Ok, the hole is getting dangerously small (or not), or it is just waiting for the plaque to break.
    How are we going to remove some plaque?
    What causes plaque build up, is nice question.
    Why there is a less plaque after we used stuff "A" another nice question.
    Is that removal permanent,
    so many questions......

    Can we (please) put a flash light on (and keep it there, no side views) the information that someone
    had his plaque measured
    then used Bolouke for time X
    them measured plaque again
    and found less plaque.

    Dam the other (important) considerations.

    Last edited: May 18, 2019
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  3. Sheddie

    Sheddie Silver

    ...fidgety butt or hardass? Okay, both.
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  4. drezy

    drezy New Member

    @Sheddie , good question!

    fidgety hard ass?
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  5. Bob Stirling

    Bob Stirling New Member

    Following a heart attack my questions were, why was the plaque unstable and what caused it to collapse. Once collapsed it built up at a narrow section of an artery which resulted in the heart attack. I felt that stress was a major cause of the chemical? imbalance so my recovery plan was to treat the stress mainly with Epsom and magnesium salt baths, in hindsight being in water. So much so the septic system failed.
  6. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    @Bob Stirling

    What is your current:
    fasting insulin
    calcium score

    have you had any discussions about prospects for (however small) plaque reversal?

    Have you heard about Bolouke?

    Have you heard about Jeffrey Dach md

    If you contact/contact dr Dach please keep me informed about it (here or PM, whichever suits you)

    The three major enzymes are
    1) Serrapeptidase,
    2) Nattokinase and
    3) Lumbrokinase.


    NAMES are=?????


    Last edited: May 19, 2019
  7. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

  8. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Last edited: May 19, 2019
  9. Bob Stirling

    Bob Stirling New Member

    JanSz, thank you very much it is appreciated!

    I don't know what my fasting insulin or calcium score is. I know of the calcium score from Ivor Cummins work and https://ihda.ie/

    I have not had any discussion about plaque reversal and have not heard of Bolouke.

    I am aware of Jeffery Dach and have his Heart Book, just received and have not read it.

    This is the first I heard of the enzymes...
    1) Serrapeptidase,
    2) Nattokinase and
    3) Lumbrokinase.
  10. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    I suggest that you contact dr Dach
    if you find something interesting please let us know.
    If there is more than casual info, may be worth while to open dedicated thread.

    I have a family member with heart attack shortly after last years 4th of July.
    3 stents
    He is under spell of his doctor now.
    Now his cholesterol is 75.

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  11. Anne V

    Anne V Silver

    i have taken Serrapeptidase and nattokinase for near 3 years from 2013 .
    unsure of results .
    after 2 stents in 2013
    when i went back to the CAA for test , in 2017 they said the arteries where clear.so was carotid artery.
    but that was not the case for the aortic valve.
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  12. drezy

    drezy New Member

    If I had to guess, I think it would be difficult to get the right amount of enzyme in the right place especially when going through the digestive tract first.

    I do stock up on a couple enzymes for occasions, but I do wonder about f the the marketing logic. Nattokinase is one of them. I understand the basic chemistry, but t'soften not mentioned that the original consumers of it typically consume it for decades. Kinda like a 1ยบ course correction across the Atlantic and sure you'll end up in a way different place.

    Dumping in tons of an enzyme, as if the body were a pool needing chlorine or algicide, may not quite work the same.

    I haven't done enough research but the one thing that nags me is: What is the cholesterol is getting dumped in order to increase the charge or decrease the load on the magneto-hydrodynamicsystem? If that were the case and you flushed out all of your plaque at once would that mean that your heart would need to do more work?
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  13. Anne V

    Anne V Silver

    i do not think it would be wise to dump all the plaque in 1 go
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  14. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Nice statement.
    Since at the moment, the best we (supposedly) can do is gradual and very small plaque removal, that kind of fear may go to the bottom of the list.

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  15. drezy

    drezy New Member

    Is the plaque there an error?
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  16. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    That is one of the long lists, of those (very interesting) questions I have mentioned earlier.
  17. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    Picture below from post 1070 above
    is about PhosphatidylCholine (PC).
    Supposedly it reverses plaque formation.
    PC (sic!)(the right kind)
    can be had from Amazon.
    it does not have to be PhosChol
    it can be the original type made in New Jersey.

  18. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    The plaque (supposedly is that skin or crust on the top.
    When crust breaks, hell breaks loose.
    All the activity is below the plaque.
    Viruses or bacteria.
    It would be progress if we could figure
    what is going on there,
    what kills it,
    names of currently used antibiotics

    the enzymes (I think) just transport out the debris
    quicker if there is more of them

    but the basic activity is being halted by antibiotics.
  19. Bob Stirling

    Bob Stirling New Member

    I don't think the plaque is an error. The body is doing what it should be doing in light of the conditions present and the choices of the individual.

    In regards to making changes that could result in the heart having to work more. That's a very good point. My heart is pumping at 30 - 35% of it's capacity according to the echocardiogram. This is on the low end, I would be cautious and look for some direction before doing too much.

    I function well at this capacity when I pace myself. I work outside at my own business when I want to and am not on any medications or supplements.
  20. Anne V

    Anne V Silver

    yes answer tomorrow. wifi half good , wind 50km /hr need snooze 1st :)
    think of swallow flying with area of high and low pressure.

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