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A Few Questions on PPP and fat

Discussion in 'Beginners Area' started by QiGuy1997, Dec 2, 2013.

  1. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    The world the Kitavins live in is no one else's.......They ate a ton of carbs that got shuttled thru the G3P shuttle to basically make fat........If you listen to the clueless like Jaminet and Guyenet you never get that level of sophistication. The carbs they eat all get turned to electrons that enter at FADH2 cytochrome two.......not cytochrome 1. This is why I wrote the Quantum electron blog post two years ago........I am trying to show paleo all the people they rely on might just be dead wrong........And this mechanism is why I believe they are. How the G3P shuttle changes the PPP function has MASSIVE implications for all the distal physiology and this shuttle is a quantum electron effect on the electron chain. When I hear calories is just tells me the person does not understand how physics dictates biochemistry.
     
  2. prAna303

    prAna303 New Member

    This i argument i meet everytime someone wants to discuss my way of living... Just because i am very active does not mean that i should eat a shit load of carbs, for me, this is how i think:

    - Sugar (manmade) is not out there in nature, then why eat it?
    - Sugar (fruits, berrys) is out there for two months a year, hell yes i eat it, but only then.
    - Fat (manmade) is not out there in nature, then why eat it?
    - Fat (animals) is out there all year, give it to me.
    - Fat (olive oil, coco) very little in the summer, but again, i do not have it here in my country, then why eat it?

    To be able to perform all year around i go by these simple rules, the ones that go carb crazy, they get sick and even some of my friends have died, and yes it is connected to their foods, lifestyle and other things.
     
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  3. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    Isn't calories just an imperfect measure of potential energy we get from food? It seems like right now it is the closest thing we have in an estimation. I have done Leangains where I tracked calories as precisely as I could along with strength measursess, weight and skin folds. Using this I was able to drop from around 9-10% body fat to around 5-6%. So it seems calories mattered when wanting to drop body fat and retain LBM.
    I understand that eating the right foods and creating the right environment one gets to a healthy state and BMi. But counting calories, testing and creating a deficit or a surplus can regulate body mass. Am I missing something?

    I am just trying to understand this........
     
  4. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    your missing a lot.................but after the next few months we will see if you think calories matter...............or do electrons and protons.
     
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  5. JanSz

    JanSz Gold

    It is about open system.

    I think good definition of adiabatic boundary could possibly help.

    Then possibly the discussion could revert to close system that may be easier to count.


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  6. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    I am sure I am missing a lot..... And I do think electrons and protons matter hugely just from experiencing doing the optimal/ PPP approach. I now eat keto epi-paleo diet, CT, ground and all that.... It has helped me maintain a low body fat and feel much healthier, vibrant and full of energy. Athletic performance is starting to take off!.... I can still keep BF levels adjusted just by doing some extra CT, a bit of fasting and regulating how much I eat.... But the stuff I do now seems to keep me much stronger and healthier. No more injuries, aches, pains and sleep is killer.....
    So I see something to it for sure..... I just know that if I want to shed a bit of fat it is easy just by doing a little extra fasting, CT or not kill it to much on the bacon or macadamia nuts (food)..... But I am open to having a better understanding....
    Been at the PPP for coming up on two years or so and I do see changes happening..... I question things but remain on the path!
    Great info here..... I'll keep reading and applying..... Either way I seem to benefit....
     
  7. yewwei.tan

    yewwei.tan Gold

    Being able to stay healthy, while maintaining an unnaturally low level of body fat for aesthetics sake, is something that I'm personally interested in as well, and am still trying to reconcile all of the information that I'm getting into something that is practical.

    My current hunch is that counting and actively restricting calories definitely works to pull fat out of the cell as a response to the caloric deficit. However, this results in a systemic energy deficient state, where the body is lacking an optimal electron quantity. Health is compromised, and maintenance of low body fat is not possible (unless you are willing to stay in that state of un-health)

    What we really want is an energetically optimal body at low body fat percentage, which to me, implies that the brain and other tissues need to be able to hear the cellular signalling mechanisms from fat loud and clear, despite having less fat than before.

    As Layne Norton put it, traditional dieting only serves to get your fat cells smaller, which also makes them more insulin sensitive in the process (and ready to uptake anything that you give them). This probably explains the "willingness" of the body to put on a bunch of fat -- the fat cells are still present and doing their cellular signalling. He recently put up a video talking about that.

    Layne's prescription for contest dieters has been to improve metabolic rate during the offseason, by gradually increasing caloric intake to become more metabolically inefficient. He talks about that in this video. Personally, I think "improving the metabolism" is the way to go for long term health at low body fat, but am not willing to go down the high-ROS carb-laden path that Layne advocates.

    My current path to being lean and healthy is therefore to find a way to improve total energy in the system and have the body not need to depend on a higher level of fat mass for cellular signalling. If you truly can unlock the leptin melanocortin pathway, while using cold to liberate leptin from fat cells (actually reducing the total quantity of fat cells), then it could very well be possible to restrict caloric intake and get lean, while simultaneously decreasing the number of fat cells and improving tissue sensitivity to hormones, thereby avoiding most of the negative effects.

    Anyway, that's just a hunch, and describes my high-level thinking when it comes to the subject. It's probably going to take 2-3 years, and it's not exactly easy, but I've got the time.
     
  8. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Life and health are not practical they are quantum and not parsimonious....................time for you to readjust your ideas of what is and will never be. Quote from a future blog.
     
  9. yewwei.tan

    yewwei.tan Gold

    Today's blog post (EE10) definitely tied together lots of concepts, and on first read, seems to lead me to believe that a lot of what I outline in my last post above is a step in the right direction. ie: generating enough negative entropy effectively makes the question of "how much body fat are you carrying" a non-factor.

    I'll probably read it again and see what I think.
     
  10. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Dan what if I told you you could hold subatomic particle really close on your inner mitochondrial membrane and make them do some kooky quantum things? But it only happens when they are really really close together like they are on an electron transport chain? do you think it is possible for things to change atomic structure and totally change the physical properties? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnL_nwmCLpY

    We must become aware of what we do not know to learn what we need to know.

    BOOM
     
  11. Danco3636

    Danco3636 Silver

    I know I am re reading and printing EE10..... My head is still spinning. I am trying to loose what I think to gain what I don't know. I am getting that we are QED beings such as all things..... that a neutron can change to a proton in the right environment (positivity charged). The identity of particles/ atoms change so things can change real quick if needed. So the mitochondria can function at a much higher level in the right environment. Sooooo change the environment/ optimize and we can change our results.... It comes down to QED and the current of flow across the membranes to create massive energy and change..... We just need to dial in the right environment.... perhaps food restriction doesn't do this.... It may cut fat but at a cost.... Get the QED environment right and the physical properties change..... So a healthier approach is creating this environment through energy flow (sense we are dynamic QED beings)..... Doing this with Water, Magnetism & Light as a base..... Then dial in our environment with many other things that are primordial to our health such as CT, grounding, minimizing EMF, epi-paleo keto diet, connecting to nature, etc.....

    I don't know if I am even in the ball park......

    You know this stuff keeps me up at night with my head spinning. :)
    I can see the results from doing but it is fascinating in trying to understand and even later explain the why.

    Back to reading and having an open mind.

    Thanks! & keep the BOOM's coming.... they help....
     
  12. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    ^^^^you're getting it.......The field of action of your mitochondria determine how it works to handle electrons and protons and their interaction with photons which are the force carrier for electrons......and interact with all forms of matter via the electromagnetic force.
     
  13. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

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  14. Shijin13

    Shijin13 Guest

    THis thread just keeps getting better and better. OMG there's some real gold here.!!!!
     
  15. Penny

    Penny New Member

    This whole article is astounding - and you have ammo the next time someone tells you you are nuts for wearing blue blockers at night... they took a cancer cell and exposed it to melatonin replete or depleted blood and the cancer actually grew when melatonin was depleted... this implies that when you have mismatches, you have less melatonin and more propensity to develop cancer...

    Read Dr. K's comments at the bottom - quite illuminating - actually, the whole blog is amazing -
    http://caloriesproper.com/circadian-mismatch-and-chronopharmacology/
     
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  16. Cpt.Tired

    Cpt.Tired New Member

    So it looks like the most important part to focus on is circadian signaling - sunlight on the SCN first thing upon rising and then the BBB to reset all the clocks so we can utilize the fats properly (?)
    That way we can increase our redox potential so we have enough magnetism in our cells to pull in critical nutrients, water and oxygen to avoid becoming hypoxic
     
  17. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Paleo, Perlmutter, et all blame the ills on gluten...........but they forget about light and nnEMF: Gluten is a protein...............and proteins are marked for degradation by ubiquination that links directly to circadian cycles. Ubiquitin, also a "protein" also widespread in living cells, contributes to many cellular events, although the most well known is that of tagging proteins for destruction by the proteasome. Melatonin interacts with the ubiquitin–proteasome system to regulate the central activity of thyroid hormone type 2 deiodinase; the subsequent regulation of T3, is central to the melatonin-induced changes in seasonal reproduction and seasonal changes in metabolism. Did you know that blue light and non native EMF from your tech gadgets destroy DHA in your cell membranes to uncouple ubiquination from ubiquitin? This happens without any input from gluten or from food. But it is directly related to many 'un-paleo' technology. Belief that food is the primary driver is as bad as claiming statins cure heart disease. This is also why excessive blue light and many other non native radiative waves can alter thyroid function in humans. People have been habitualized into believing all progress and technology has the positive connotation........that would be their greatest mistake. Food can't fix that gap in knowledge. Many papers have shown that glutathiolation of this enzyme protects proteins from unnecessary degradation by ubiquination. So the sulfur carried by melatonin from sulfation in the small bowel and microbiome may limit protein degradation in the brain.http://www.paleoosteo.com/food-is-just-one-input-part-1/
     
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  18. Jack Kruse

    Jack Kruse Administrator

    Jan Feb And March 2015 webinars are laying it out to members and the current series is going to be filled with thought bombs how food is a second fiddle to circadian biology
     
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  19. Norway-hey

    Norway-hey New Member

    This is very interesting stuff. As I have ADD I receive medication in the form of Dexamphetamine sulfate. As you surely know Dexamphetamine acts as a sympathomimetic as well as a reuptake blocker and releaser of both dopamine, but especially norepinephrine. Would this imply that dexamphetamine might hasten transition into the PPP?
     
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  20. Cpt.Tired

    Cpt.Tired New Member

    That stuff is bad news. At least for me. I'm just in the process of getting off of Vyvanse (a slow release version of Dex.).I'm down to 25mg a day which is less than the lowest dose (30mg) and I don't have the temptation to take more at all. That is huge.
    That shit was ruining my life. I was prescribed 150mg a day which is equiv. to about 45mg of Dexedrine. Worked as a great antidepressant while my life was just falling apart around me so it made me 'not really care' because I felt good- kind of.
    Really hard to explain. I'm sure it affects people very differently.

    Just be careful with that shit...
     
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