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7-Keto: Brand matters

Discussion in 'Optimal Labs' started by SueC, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. KiwiLauren

    KiwiLauren Gold


    That blog says 7 Keto does not become T or E. However, that assumes a) that it is real 7 Keto and not DHEA and b) that there isn't some other mechanism at work. I have no idea, but I hate the notion that we can't trust our supplements to be what they say they are.
     
  2. indigogirl

    indigogirl Silver

    Thanks for the clarification Lauren. I was too tired to read the blog he referenced and the new blog tonight.
     
  3. SueC

    SueC New Member

    I FINALLY heard back from Source Naturals with this answer:



    "The answers to your questions are as follows: we purchase this branded supplement 7-keto DHEA from the patent holder Humanetics Corp. which is located in Minnesota. According to the Certificates of Analysis (C of A) they provide with the material it is manufactured in China.

    The manufacture on their C of A provide test results for ID, purity, lead, heavy metals, yeast, molds, & pathogens.

    As a responsible manufacture of supplements once Threshold receives raw materials we again test for all of these items. We test each lot we receive to confirm ID, purity, lead, heavy metals, yeast, molds, & pathogens."



    In talking with a company rep "off the record", he believes the research for stating that 7-keto doesn't convert is poor. He could find only 1 study using a handful of "healthy men." I can't find any more than that study, either, but I'll keep trying.



    I talked with the folks at Life Extension about conversion and that person said 7-keto can raise testosterone scores slightly, but nothing like my off the charts reading.



    So we're still left with buyer be wary, and TEST, TEST, TEST!
     

  4. Thanks sue!!!
     
  5. jib

    jib New Member

    [QUOTE=KiwiLauren b) that there isn't some other mechanism at work..


    So, this is happening with several here and probably happened with me as well when I tried it for a short time, what are the "some other mechanism at work" Maybe there would be some answers if we could figure this out??? (Just rambling outloud) There is still so much that I need to learn...
     
  6. maggie

    maggie New Member

    I think something similar has happened to me. In my recent labs, the DHEA-S was given as >1000 and my testosterone was also way, way out of range. I sent the results to Dzugan and I'm waiting for the "tweak" to my program. However, I wrote again and said I'd also like some kind of explanation. Seems like more than just tweakable, would need to know what the mechanism was if it isn't just a problem with the supps.
     
  7. nonchalant

    nonchalant Silver

    I've been taking both DHEA (50mg) and 7-Keto (50mg). Haven't noticed any effects.

    I guess I'll continue until I get new labs.
     
  8. SueC

    SueC New Member

    FYI: I have since asked Source Naturals if someone there would point me to the research they used to conclude 7-keto doesn't convert to sex steroids and also what research they used to advocate taking 100 mg of 7-keto twice daily on their product. We'll see if I get an answer to that....
     
  9. janagram

    janagram New Member

    After reading this thread I just quit taking 7-keto and pregnenolone....I now just take 2 maca caps each day (which I always did)....who knows? feel just the same...(good)...(better than when I first got on this site)
     
  10. KiwiLauren

    KiwiLauren Gold


    Well I have no idea about what that mechanism might be. I was just thinking out loud. I stopped 7-Keto but Dr K suggested to me that continuing was a good idea. My DHEA is very low, so it's definitely not converting into that. Also, I have only ever had the one T test, so I have no before-and-after to look at. My new doc has suggested I go on DHEA, so that's going to be another experience to watch. I guess I'm not entirely sure what the mechanisms are that dictate whether DHEA supplementation makes DHEA or can be made into E or T. If my DHEA is low it seems DHEA would make DHEA. If it doesn't, then something is surely broken and it's not likely the BHRT medication.
     
  11. miper70

    miper70 New Member

    I also take (took) Source Naturals 7-keto 50mg and just got test results back which showed my testosterone and progesterone levels that were 6 and 10 x the norm. She took me off of the pregnenolone but I quit the 7-keto also and will see what happens.
     
  12. SueC

    SueC New Member

    My labs were saliva. (Tacked onto a cortisol test.)
     
  13. Souldanzer

    Souldanzer Banned


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resveratrol
     
  14. Update, I may post this elsewhere as it's related to this thread and DHEA.



    I'll give the basics as it relates to this thread.



    3 testosterone tests, all same lab, range for all three was 7-46.



    1. 8/23, had been taking DHEA 50 mgs, and 7-KETO 100mgs for about two weeks.



    Total Testosterone 152. Stopped regular DHEA that day.



    2. 9/7, still taking 7-KETO 100mgs for a little over a month at this point.



    Total Testosterone 315. Stopped 7Keto that day.



    3. 11/1, DHEA supps free.



    Total Testosterone 28





    I also re-checked Vit-D after a bio-hack. That went from

    8/23, 21 Vit D, 25-OH, Total.

    11/1, 77 Vit D, 25-OH, Total.
     
  15. ealachan

    ealachan New Member


    Verrrrrrrry interesting.
     
  16. Lyndra

    Lyndra Gold

    Hmm. I'm suspicious of wildly consistent lab tests. Seems odd that T would drop so much and D would increase so much. Glad you're back to "normal" though ;)
     
  17. JanSz

    JanSz Gold


    It would help to monitor DHEAs.



    Since you are focusing on TotalTestosterone,

    and

    it seems like something interesting may be going on in that area,

    I would suggest that you possibly do 24hr urine testing at:

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    Meridian Valley Laboratory, Inc

    801 SW 16th St., Suite 126 Renton, WA 98057

    Phone: 425-271-8689

    Toll-free:

    855-405-TEST

    ( 855-405-8378)

    Fax: 425-271-8674





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    http://meridianvalleylab.com/urine-hormone-testing



    http://www.lmreview.com/articles/view/select-the-right-hormone-test-for-your-patient-using-bio-identical-hormone-/



    http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/showthread.php?4433-DHT-gt-3a-3%26%23945%3B-Androstanediol-Glucuronide-(3%26%23945%3B-diol-G)&p=175901#post175901







    .
     
  18. SueC

    SueC New Member

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